Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Discuss pet battles, strategy and theorycrafting.
Post Reply
User avatar
Virgilioar
MVP
Posts: 29
Joined: August 16th, 2013
Pet Score: 4151
Realm: Stormrage-US
Contact:

Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Virgilioar » June 10th, 2016, 2:59 pm

The [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] had been destined for greatness. Versatile and resourceful, the PVP potential of this nether demon, previously shadowed by Warlocks, exploded in when it came to setting ablaze its fellow companions. He dominated every arena, eloquently controlling battlefields lined with the most fearsome of enemies, successfully coming back from the gravest of injuries until that fateful day when gravity itself renamed [pet]Graves[/pet] challenged his reign. However, from the brink of irrelevance rose a [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] and his brave companions to challenge the new status quo.

The team (Nickname - Pet):

V Shade - [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet]
V Rook - [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet]
V Desecrate - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]

If I fought on a different team, it did not affect the score.

Final Standing:
100-18
84% Win

Considering this is a specific population (people who name their pets), I also provide PVP Pet Battles won at max level:
-May 15 - 9605
-May 20 - 9743
-May 30 - 9968
-June 5 - 10,092
-June 10 - 10,171

The Teams I Faced:

I identify the competitors here

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0-3

Sipping - [pet]Graves[/pet]

On - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Purp - [pet]Frostwolf Ghostpup[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0-1

Prometheus - [pet]Ore Eater[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Aqua Strider[/pet]

Daedalus - [pet]Ore Eater[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0-1

Billy Chin - [pet]Frostfur Rat[/pet]

Big Boss - [pet]Rabbit[/pet]

Sammy Chung - [pet]Frostfur Rat[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0-1

Jazzybow - [pet]Death Adder Hatchling[/pet]

Petz - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Qickk - [pet]Spring Rabbit[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0-1

Jumbo - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Vince - [pet]Vendefull Porcupette[/pet]

Basenji - [pet]Teroclaw Hatchling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0-1

Schwarzenegger - [pet]Death Talon Whelp[/pet]

Kai - [pet]Lucky Quilen Cub[/pet]

Olympia - [pet]Spirit of Summer[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-3

>No Name< - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Just Give Up - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Just Give Up - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-1

Temujin - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Sargonofakkad - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Bismarck - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-1

Slytherin - [pet]Death Adder Hatchling[/pet]

Activision Sux - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Hayabusa - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-1

Junkyard Dawg - [pet]Stitched Pup[/pet]

Grease Lightning - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragooning[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Emperor Crab[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-1

Gladys - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]

Shui Lei - [pet]Puddle Terror[/pet]

Lakyn - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-1

Nimoy - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Takei - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

Shatner - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-1

Bullet Farmer - [pet]Crusher[/pet]

Han Solo - [pet]Bone Serpent [/pet]

Riddler - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6-1

Just Give Up - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Just Give Up - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Just Give Up - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Gyarados - [pet]Hydraling[/pet]

Haunter - [pet]Unborn Val'kyr[/pet]

Fearow - [pet]Teroclaw Hatchling [/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Abortion - [pet]Unborn Val'kyr[/pet]

Dasani - [pet]Pandaren Water Spirit[/pet]

Thè Beast- [pet]Chrominius[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Terminator - [pet]Mechanical Scorpid[/pet]

Deadlybrawler - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]

Boned Again - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Luz Arcana - [pet]Hyjal Wisp[/pet]

Metalsheilong - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Unborn Val'kyr[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Whedon - [pet]Pocket Reaver[/pet]

Be Confident - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

Psychochicken - [pet]Robo-Chick[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Never Give Up - [pet]Blossoming Ancient[/pet]

Keep Learning - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]

Cyalume - [pet]Fel Flame[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Never Give Up - [pet]Blossoming Ancient[/pet]

Keep Learning - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]

Be Creative - [pet]Silkbead Snail[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Ice T - [pet]Frosty[/pet]

Your Horrible - [pet]Fossilized Hatchling[/pet]

>No Name< [pet]Albino Chimaeraling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Never Give Up - [pet]Blossoming Ancient[/pet]

Keep Learning - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]

Killwithkindness - [pet]Ikky[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Pistachio - [pet]Nuts[/pet]

Tremors - [pet]Pandaren Earth Spirit[/pet]

Panda - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Wolf Of Evul - [pet]Lil' Bad Wolf[/pet]

Horns of Evul - [pet]Lil' Tarecgosa[/pet]

Crab of Evul - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Newton - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Einstein - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

Hawking - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Never Give Up - [pet]Blossoming Ancient[/pet]

Never Give Up - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]

Sock or Kleenex - [pet]Ikky[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Amber Herd - [pet]Shy Bandicoon[/pet]

Johnny Deep - [pet]Mountain Panda[/pet]

Frostboo - [pet]Frostwolf Ghostpup[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Never Give Up - [pet]Alpine Hare[/pet]

Never Give Up - [pet]Tolai Hare[/pet]

Never Give Up - [pet]Tolai Hare Pup[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Never Give Up - [pet]Blossoming Ancient[/pet]

Never Give Up - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]

Fiddly Feelers - [pet]Marsh Fiddler[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Mittens - [pet]Scalded Basilisk Hatchling[/pet]

Gladys - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]

Laura - [pet]Prairie Mouse[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Jazo - [pet]Jade Oozeling[/pet]

Templeton - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]

Baker - [pet]Emperor Crab[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Bonecrapper - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Zandcrappari - [pet]Zandalari Anklerender[/pet]

Zandalarcrapp - [pet]Zandalari Toenibbler[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Bonecrapper - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Frostcrapp - [pet]Frostwolf Ghostpup[/pet]

Fecal Mech - [pet]Cogblade Raptor[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Newton - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Einstein - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

Darwin - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Baba - [pet]Bonkers[/pet]

Booey - [pet]Bonkers[/pet]

Flaflaflunky - [pet]Bonkers[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Black - [pet]Black Rat[/pet]

Skid - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Steve - [pet]Lava Crab[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Travis - [pet]Moon Moon[/pet]

Lucius - [pet]Brightpaw[/pet]

Erie - [pet]Unborn Val'kyr[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Ilium - [pet]Fossilized Hatchling[/pet]

Ischium - [pet]Fossilized Hatchling[/pet]

Copernicus - [pet]Nexus Whelpling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

>No Name< - [pet]Fossilized Hatchling[/pet]

Interfere - [pet]Winter Reindeer[/pet]

Fix Me Not - [pet]Clockwork Gnome[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Fimose - [pet]Fossilized Hatchling[/pet]

Lion O - [pet]Lil' Bad Wolf[/pet]

Mumm Ra - [pet]Voodoo Figurine[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Scaredofyou - [pet]Infected Squirrel[/pet]

Ice T - [pet]Frosty[/pet]

Foxylady - [pet]Alpine Foxling Kit[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Ugotbeat - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

Bya - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]

Rover - [pet]Frostwolf Ghostpup[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Lexi - [pet]Netherwhelp[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Chi-Chi, Hatchling of Chi-Ji[/pet]

Oh - [pet]Xu-Fu, Cub of Xuen[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Hades - [pet]Searing Scorching[/pet]

Po - [pet]Pandaren Monk[/pet]

Lil Ony - [pet]Onyxian Whelpling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Redemption - [pet]Unborn Val'kyr[/pet]

Death Wing Jr - [pet]Onyxian Whelpling[/pet]

Slither - [pet]Silkbead Snail[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Yearning - [pet]Fragment of Desire[/pet]

Fluffy - [pet]Teroclaw Hatchling[/pet]

Bolt - [pet]Molten Corgi[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Splash - [pet]Pandaren Water Spirit[/pet]

Stinky - [pet]Stitched Pup[/pet]

Snork - [pet]Lifelike Mechanical Frostboar[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Dragonfly - [pet]Son of Sethe[/pet]

Donatelo - [pet]Crusher[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Phoenix Hawk Hatchling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Bestrode - [pet]Mountain Panda[/pet]

Buster - [pet]Kun-Lai Runt[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Chuck[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

>No Name< [pet]Lil' K.T.[/pet]

El Gato Volador - [pet]Feline Familiar[/pet]

Fueguin - [pet]Searing Scorching[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

World Breaker - [pet]Lil' XT[/pet]

Firelord Ozai - [pet]Lil' Ragnaros[/pet]

I Want That Tree - [pet]Father Winter's Helper[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Cantor - [pet]Trunks[/pet]

Less - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]

Ninja - [pet]Mountain Cottontail[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Ju Long - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Aster - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Dusk - [pet]Graves[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Chinkee - [pet]Blighthawk[/pet]

Dogface - [pet]Iron Starlette[/pet]

Sanfrancoolies - [pet]Blighthawk[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Bonehead - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Nethermore - [pet]Lost Netherpup[/pet]

Anubis - [pet]Anubisath Idol[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Mechazword - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Nubi - [pet]Anubisath Idol[/pet]

Littlefoot - [pet]Hydraling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Blightpaw - [pet]Fel Pup[/pet]

Drowzarius - [pet]Emerald Whelpling[/pet]

Iron Falcon - [pet]Darkmoon Tonk[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Im Better - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Im Better - [pet]Mountain Panda[/pet]

Im Better - [pet]Hopling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

>No Name< - [pet]Infected Squirrel[/pet]

Skrillex - [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet]

Try Again - [pet]Chrominius[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Black - [pet]Black Rat[/pet]

Steve - [pet]Lava Crab[/pet]

Brass - [pet]Cogblade Raptor[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Its - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]

Goin - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Down - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Even Scrubs - [pet]Alpine Foxling[/pet]

Get Lucky - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Aye Scrub - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Tooeazy - [pet]Darkmoon Zeppelin[/pet]

Getrekt - [pet]Death Adder Hatchling[/pet]

Nlgger - [pet]Enchanted Lantern[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Boris - [pet]Spider[/pet]

Ziggy Stardust - [pet]Crystal Spider[/pet]

Old Boris - [pet]Jumping Spider[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Little Shid - [pet]Core Hound Pup[/pet]

Broodily - [pet]Brilliant Bloodfeather[/pet]

Bla Fling - [pet]Blackfuse Bombling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Boned - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Mud Jumper[/pet]

LegendaryBrawler - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Deadlybrawler - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Lifelike Mechanical Frostboar[/pet]

Boned - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Boned - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Warbot[/pet]

LegendaryBrawler - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Terminator - [pet]Mechanical Scorpid[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Mud Jumper[/pet]

LegendaryBrawler - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1-0

Trump - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Ruby Droplet[/pet]

Nevercruz - [pet]Graves[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-0

Tantor - [pet]Trunks[/pet]

Lyssa - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]

Ninja - [pet]Mountain Cottontail[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-0

Bailey - [pet]Jademist Dancer[/pet]

Gobstopper - [pet]Crusher[/pet]

Baby Ruth - [pet]Yellow-Bellied Bullfrog[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-0

This Team Pwns - [pet]Blossoming Ancient[/pet]

Weak Azz Graves - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]

Team Lose - [pet]Mountain Skunk[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-0

Curly - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]

Larry - [pet]Fragment of Desire[/pet]

Moe - [pet]Fragment of Suffering[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-0

Clyde - [pet]Alpine Foxling[/pet]

Werg - [pet]Lil' Bad Wolf[/pet]

>No Name< - [pet]Magical Crawdad[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2-0

Blakflightleda - [pet]Ikky[/pet]

Blakflightbomba - [pet]Ikky[/pet]

Blakflightkilla - [pet]Ikky[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3-0

Trump - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling[/pet]

Willbepotus - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]

Nevercruz - [pet]Graves[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3-0

Chilly - [pet]Willy[/pet]

Blockade - [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet]

Teeball - [pet]Softshell Snapling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3-0

Neildegrasse - [pet]Weebomination[/pet]

Lawrencekrauss - [pet]Droplet of Y'Shaarj[/pet]

Philplait - [pet]Scourged Whelpling[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3-0

Ash Lizard - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Ash Lizard - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]

Ash Lizard - [pet]Bone Serpent[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3-0

>No Name< - [pet]Nightmare Bell[/pet]

Just Give Up - [pet]Graves[/pet]

Just Give Up - [pet]Fragment of Anger[/pet]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

User avatar
Drudatz
Top Rater
Posts: 383
Joined: June 13th, 2011
Pet Score: 6397
Realm: Kul Tiras-EU
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Drudatz » June 10th, 2016, 5:45 pm

so were now supposed to "spam" this board with the pvp fights we had? :twisted:

User avatar
Virgilioar
MVP
Posts: 29
Joined: August 16th, 2013
Pet Score: 4151
Realm: Stormrage-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Virgilioar » June 11th, 2016, 1:05 pm

Drudatz wrote:so were now supposed to "spam" this board with the pvp fights we had? :twisted:
Not this board, but the one I link below for sure:

PVP Pet Battle - Catalog of CURRENT Players in PVP Queue

User avatar
Virgilioar
MVP
Posts: 29
Joined: August 16th, 2013
Pet Score: 4151
Realm: Stormrage-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Virgilioar » June 11th, 2016, 5:40 pm

Biscuit wrote:It's a shame we're not on the same server cluster.
What server are you on? I will make a toon there happily! I am making them all over so as to capture more trainers.

User avatar
Logansfury
Top Rater
Posts: 291
Joined: March 27th, 2015
Pet Score: 4755
Realm: Korialstrasz-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Logansfury » June 11th, 2016, 7:07 pm

Virgilioar wrote: The team (Nickname - Pet):

V Shade - [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet]
V Rook - [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet]
V Desecrate - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]
Good Morning Virgil,

Im looking at your team as I always try to experiment with strong counter teams.

This is a counter to Graves running Consume Corpse build correct?

Im guessing its usage is:

set up Haunt
set up Immolation

Darkness to inhibit consume corpse benefit

rotate to keep up DoTs
use Hoof vs undead
primary tank w/Sprout keep up Call Darkness & Blinding Poison

Is this the correct utility of the team?

Dont see any of my teams on the growing list, but ive run into several variants of Moe/Larry/Curly teams. This seems to be a more and more popular naming choice lol.
Image

User avatar
Gráinne
Posts: 796
Joined: July 7th, 2015
Pet Score: 6205
Realm: Magtheridon-EU
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Gráinne » June 11th, 2016, 9:36 pm

Logansfury wrote:Darkness to inhibit consume corpse benefit
In

http://www.warcraftpets.com/community/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14409#p125900

Virgilioar laid out this team, with [ability]Nature's Ward[/ability] on the Sproutling.
Virgilioar wrote:V Shade - [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet]
Lash | Nature's Ward | Blinding Poison

V Rook - [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet]
Burn | Immolation | Nether Gate

V Desecrate - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]
Hoof | Ethereal | Haunt
I tried this in a chunk of matches leading up to the 1000, and found the heal instead of the usual Darkness very freeing, giving me a benefit from backlining the Sproutling when I swap in the Kid to Haunt or the Imp to force swap or refresh Immolate.

User avatar
Logansfury
Top Rater
Posts: 291
Joined: March 27th, 2015
Pet Score: 4755
Realm: Korialstrasz-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Logansfury » June 11th, 2016, 10:00 pm

Thank you Grainne,

I KNEW that team was very very familiar but I browse so many websites for teams I couldnt begin to remember from where lol.

Of all places, it comes from my most favorite recent team thread - I should be ashamed for not remembering considering the time ive spent on the two murkalot teams posted from there >.<

Gonna hit the Equilibrium thread again and make sure ive got this team loaded properly with correct strat notes.
Image

User avatar
Virgilioar
MVP
Posts: 29
Joined: August 16th, 2013
Pet Score: 4151
Realm: Stormrage-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Virgilioar » June 11th, 2016, 10:20 pm

Logansfury wrote:
Virgilioar wrote: The team (Nickname - Pet):

V Shade - [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet]
V Rook - [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet]
V Desecrate - [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]
Good Morning Virgil,

Im looking at your team as I always try to experiment with strong counter teams.

This is a counter to Graves running Consume Corpse build correct?

Im guessing its usage is:

set up Haunt
set up Immolation

Darkness to inhibit consume corpse benefit

rotate to keep up DoTs
use Hoof vs undead
primary tank w/Sprout keep up Call Darkness & Blinding Poison

Is this the correct utility of the team?

Dont see any of my teams on the growing list, but ive run into several variants of Moe/Larry/Curly teams. This seems to be a more and more popular naming choice lol.
Don't run with [ability]Call Darkness[/ability], use [ability]Nature's Ward[/ability] instead. The trick to beating [pet]Graves[/pet] is forcing him to either space his abilities out to avoid your [ability]Blinding Poison[/ability] and [ability]Nether Gate[/ability] OR - when you will get hit by the AoEs and there is nothing you can do - make sure [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet] is out and using [pet]Hoof[/pet]. It's very important to also time your [ability]Blinding Poison[/ability] to the [pet]Graves[/pet] AoE. The idea is you will get hit by the first two AoE (assuming opponent is running [ability]BONESTORM[/ability] and [ability]Grave Destruction[/ability]) while your [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] applies [ability]Immolation[/ability] and either pushes out [pet]Graves[/pet] (especially if he does not AoE to start and instead uses [ability]Skull Toss[/ability] or [ability]Consume[/ability]) or is swapped out for the [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet]. Let me go over this step by step:

IF [pet]Graves[/pet] opens with AoE to your [ability]Immolation[/ability], you swap out to the [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet] next and start [ability]Hoof[/ability] to hurt [pet]Graves[/pet] as much as possible before he is swapped out. IF in the background there is a [pet]Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling[/pet] or some other pet with a defensive ability like [ability]Decoy[/ability], you might want to predict the opponent's swap and try to get a [ability]Haunt[/ability] in, especially when [pet]Graves[/pet] has [ability]Grave Destruction[/ability] on cool down. This makes it so if the opponent does not swap, you can go on your [pet]Nightshade Hatchling[/pet] and use your heal followed by Blinding Poison on [pet]Graves[/pet]' next set of AoE to buy your [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] more time to heal. You can follow the [ability]Blinding Poison[/ability] with a swap to [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] and push out the [pet]Graves[/pet] who should be low on health and will hopefully die in the background if [ability]Haunt[/ability] was applied.

The lesson to learn here is that the key to beating [pet]Graves[/pet] is keeping him in the background and making sure when he comes out he is either blinded or being hoofed to death.

User avatar
Logansfury
Top Rater
Posts: 291
Joined: March 27th, 2015
Pet Score: 4755
Realm: Korialstrasz-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Logansfury » June 11th, 2016, 10:33 pm

Excellent strat breakdown, thank you. Im looking forward to developing proficiency with this team!
Image

User avatar
Paladance
Posts: 999
Joined: July 18th, 2015
Pet Score: 5415
Realm: Burning Legion-EU
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Paladance » June 12th, 2016, 4:26 am

Either I've met a real wall or I was too spontaneous in that battle.

A guy has run [pet]Graves[/pet], [pet]Droplet of Y'shaarj[/pet] and [pet]Scourged Whelpling[/pet].

That [ability]Acid Rain[/ability] severely weakened the sproutling. :v

As you can figure out, besides the Standard Graves' Bomb all was based on [ability]Dreadful Breath[/ability].

But indeed, it's an interesting team. I've seen many moments when pets were just supposed to die, but still stood tall with <100 HP. :mrgreen:

EDIT: Also beware of [ability]Sandstorm[/ability]. The damage reduction is treated as a buff, not a debuff, so the weather nerfs even attacks from an elemental.
Image

User avatar
Wootzy
Top Rater
Posts: 141
Joined: May 18th, 2016
Pet Score: 5165
Realm: Silvermoon-EU
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Wootzy » June 12th, 2016, 6:26 am

Paladance wrote:Either I've met a real wall or I was too spontaneous in that battle.

A guy has run [pet]Graves[/pet], [pet]Droplet of Y'shaarj[/pet] and [pet]Scourged Whelpling[/pet].
That guy could have been me :mrgreen:

User avatar
Virgilioar
MVP
Posts: 29
Joined: August 16th, 2013
Pet Score: 4151
Realm: Stormrage-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Virgilioar » June 13th, 2016, 5:31 pm

Paladance wrote:Either I've met a real wall or I was too spontaneous in that battle.

A guy has run [pet]Graves[/pet], [pet]Droplet of Y'shaarj[/pet] and [pet]Scourged Whelpling[/pet].

That [ability]Acid Rain[/ability] severely weakened the sproutling. :v

As you can figure out, besides the Standard Graves' Bomb all was based on [ability]Dreadful Breath[/ability].

But indeed, it's an interesting team. I've seen many moments when pets were just supposed to die, but still stood tall with <100 HP. :mrgreen:

EDIT: Also beware of [ability]Sandstorm[/ability]. The damage reduction is treated as a buff, not a debut, so the weather nerfs even attacks from an elemental.
This is difficult because you have to go fully on the offensive while keeping up most CDs. One strategy is to not use [ability]Haunt[/ability] against this composition. Burst his pets down making sure [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] has [ability]Immolation[/ability] up 100% of the time and fighting mainly with [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] unless [pet]Graves[/pet] is out at which point you [ability]Hoof[/ability] away. It is tricky and like Biscuit mentions below, it all comes down to proper juking and bluffing!


Biscuit wrote:The problem you run into with Blinding Poison and Nether Gate is that it's too easy to get juked. It turns into a guessing game at that point and, if guessed incorrectly, there goes your advantage.
That and the obvious dependency on speed can make blind and gate minimal threats.
The idea behind this originally was to create a team that could take ANY team, this is why we rely so much on controlling the fight. Your comment on speed, however made me think: why not push for power and try to end fight quicker? Been field testing a [pet]Murkidan[/pet] variation since then which is tricky but promising (with [pet]Eye Beam[/pet] in case you were wondering). It also gets around the overall weakness to Critter Type due to the Elemental Type offensive abilities of the original version. I am looking forward to fixing these issues!

User avatar
Seyrine
Posts: 5
Joined: May 22nd, 2016
Pet Score: 3688
Realm: Ysera-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Seyrine » June 16th, 2016, 4:46 am

This is a strong team. The only time I have trouble is against Anubisath Idol. I frequently seem to get someone who runs 3x Idols with 3x sandstorm. Sandstorm completely negates Immolation, so the Imp can't heal in the back row. I had to turn to a Graves team to take that team down.

User avatar
Virgilioar
MVP
Posts: 29
Joined: August 16th, 2013
Pet Score: 4151
Realm: Stormrage-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Virgilioar » June 16th, 2016, 6:14 pm

Seyrine wrote:This is a strong team. The only time I have trouble is against Anubisath Idol. I frequently seem to get someone who runs 3x Idols with 3x sandstorm. Sandstorm completely negates Immolation, so the Imp can't heal in the back row. I had to turn to a Graves team to take that team down.
If this happens you run [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] making sure to only swap to the Fiendish Imp in order to push out an [pet]Anubisath Idol[/pet] that has the [ability]Haunt[/ability] applied. This is tricky now, you have to:

1) Make sure you swap to the Ghastly Kid ONLY AFTER HE USES [ability]Deflection[/ability] so you can get a [ability]Haunt[/ability] in.
2) Only use the [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet] to allow some rounds for the [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] to heal.
3) If he can't hit you ([ability]Nether Gate[/ability], [ability]Blinding Poison[/ability], [ability]Ethereal[/ability], [ability]Haunt[/ability]) he can't heal. This seems obvious and irrelevant but that leads me too...
4) TIME! This is an easy fight to win because you have more HPS and DPS than he does thanks to your defensive abilities (mentioned above) but it takes a while and you have to allow for the [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] to heal while the others get in quick damage!

Example:

We start with [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] and say 3 rounds of [ability]Sandstorm[/ability] left. You use [ability]Blinding Poison[/ability] and he misses.

2 rounds of [ability]Sandstorm[/ability] left, you swap to [pet]Ghastly Kid[/pet], hopefully he will have used [ability]Deflection[/ability] thinking you will try to hit him and not seeing the swap.

1 round of [ability]Sandstorm[/ability] left you [ability]Haunt[/ability] and enter the [pet]Fiendish Imp[/pet].

0 rounds of [ability]Sandstorm[/ability], [ability]Nether Gate[/ability] and in comes another [pet]Anubisath Idol[/pet]

Now, we know this new [pet]Anubisath Idol[/pet] will likely [ability]Sandstorm[/ability] so instead of fighting it we hit him HARD before he does to further reduce damage on the [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet]. Then swap to [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet], Blinding Poison, heal back up, a couple hits, rinse repeat. It's tricky because [ability]Sandstorm[/ability] seems like a huge deal, but it's also a damage reduction for you so the playing field is level in that sense.

Biscuit wrote:I love control teams that focus on out-thinking and/or predicting your opponents moves, but I gotta admit, sometimes I'm just in a lazy mood and want to chalk up some super easy and mindless wins.

That's when I roll out Droplet, Scourge Whelp & Weebomb.
Surprisingly, it can often out-AOE a Graves squad.

Got any "lazy"-esque teams, Virgil?
Who does not love some mindless keyboard bashing? I have a couple you might like. The thing about these teams is that though they may win a lot, there are certain situations where they simply can't win. Either way, my favourite of these is (my name for it) "Wild" and it has two variations:

[pet]Trunks[/pet]
[pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] OR [pet]Murkalot[/pet]
[pet]Graves[/pet]

The rotation is [ability]Grave Destruction[/ability], [ability]BONESTORM[/ability], [ability]Avalanche[/ability], [ability]BONESTORM[/ability], [ability]Grave Destruction[/ability].

The [pet]Nightshade Sproutling[/pet] variation is much more sturdy assuming you don't get juked. You can use [pet]Murkalot[/pet]'s [ability]Righteous Inspiration[/ability] for a second [ability]Avalanche[/ability] after that rotation because they never see that coming and usually by then one of their pets is pretty dead. You could use it at the beginning too into a [ability]BONESTORM[/ability] and switch up the rotation throwing in an [ability]Ethereal[/ability] or a [ability]Skull Toss[/ability] as a filler, especially if there is a [pet]Graves[/pet] on the other end. However, if there is a Graves and the other guy knows what he is doing, it's a tough fight because LITERALLY all it takes to beat this team is that enemy [pet]Graves[/pet] out 100% of the time running his full rotation and leaving you pretty hurt. Play it wisely!

User avatar
Seyrine
Posts: 5
Joined: May 22nd, 2016
Pet Score: 3688
Realm: Ysera-US
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Seyrine » June 17th, 2016, 2:56 am

It can be a little bit easier, though also a bit more RNG dependent since he used Rupture instead of Deflect.

User avatar
Gráinne
Posts: 796
Joined: July 7th, 2015
Pet Score: 6205
Realm: Magtheridon-EU
Contact:

Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Post by Gráinne » June 17th, 2016, 3:39 am

Biscuit wrote:lazy mood ... Droplet, Scourge Whelp & Weebomb
Off-topic, but speaking of lazy and [ability]Dreadful Breath [/ability] reminded me.

I've levelled a couple of characters recently, and it's often convenient to drop in to some place like Halfhill to grind that next half-level.

A team with [pet]Droplet of Y'shaarj[/pet] and a couple of [ability]Dreadful Breath [/ability] users is extremely low-neuron. :)

[ability]Dreadful Breath [/ability] goes on for over 20 seconds, so just hitting one button every 20-25 seconds gives you lots of leisure to do other things while obliterating the wild pets. You don't have to think at all. [ability]Cleansing Rain[/ability] isn't really required if you don't have a Droplet, and Humanoids like [pet]Curious Oracle Hatchling[/pet] take weak damage from critters in Halfhill. I find I can go through several battles, letting a pet or two die, before needing to heal.

Try it next time you're grinding character XP. Once you get the rhythm, it's very lazy. [ability]Dreadful Breath [/ability] is getting a nerf in Legion, but I'm sure it will still work well enough.

Post Reply