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Skill? What helped you develop your skills?

Post by Sunderezz » May 2nd, 2021, 1:32 pm

Recently some posts have referenced a lack of skill as a potential factor when losing to frustrating teams. This really has me thinking :geek: While many factors influence a match outcome, skill is of course a priority. The game is deliciously complex :) What are the most effective pathways to developing our skills? Of course everyone is different, yet for me, it helps learning about "best practices" or what worked for those who are have achieved success in the game. So, thanks in advance for your generosity in taking the time to share one or two tips that reflect what you found to be helpful "on your way up". Also, apologies if this question has been asked - this forum is one of my most important resources and there a huge amount of really helpful information, just have not found things related specifically to strategies for skill building.

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Re: Skill? What helped you develop your skills?

Post by Rioriel » May 4th, 2021, 7:51 am

Tackling the NPC battles by not just blindly using whatever XuFu says, and taking the time to see what pets you'll fight, what school they are, what their big abilities are, and what you've got amidst your ranks to counter... and then beat it.

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Re: Skill? What helped you develop your skills?

Post by Rosqo » May 4th, 2021, 3:29 pm

It's pretty much just knowledge that is the skill you need.

PVE is just the same few gimmicks for nearly every strategy. Black claw, stampede, howl, explode etc. The meta here is normally just complete the match in as little time as possible and sometimes with a levelling pet.

PVP you need to set up the team so it's good enough to beat the common meta stuff along with the current teams you're facing. When setting up the team where possible you should have a strategy of your own or general counters. It's important to have diversity in pet families and damage types. You then need to understand what the opponent will try and do with their team. Sometimes it's worth applying simple logic with which pet will have what match up, depending on the teams in the game that won't always work. During the game where possible if you can predict abilities, usually cc, it can swing a game. Once you play a couple of games vs the same person they might change their comp to counter and you should try and play around obvious counters. Changing your team so it's good vs the original but also using different pets so counters are less effective.

I'd also say that having the right add-ons installed so you can give more attention to playing than messing around with trying to find out information that could be immediately accessable.

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Post by Gráinne » May 6th, 2021, 5:11 am

I agree with both of the others.

The basis has to be knowledge, of course. One way to develop basic knowledge that anyone can do at any time without frustration is to tackle the PvE battles without using someone else's strat as a template, and - as a slightly harder exercise - constrained to using certain types of teams, like AoE, Cyclone, Control, Bleed & Stampede, Howlbomb (what's left of it). So, for example, try one tamer with an AoE team, then with swaps, stuns, and dodges, then with a Cyclone team, then with heavy-hitters. Then try the same for more tamers. Rematch is wonderful for selecting the pets you will use.

That should build basic competence at team building when you have a target in mind. That foundation can be applied everywhere, even in PvP. Put it this way: if you can't do that exercise for any tamer, then you will benefit by practicing it more to learn.

In terms of PvP, where you don't have a target team in mind, I would defer to Rosqo. I did my 1K wins in WoD, and only 1K more since, so I'm nowhere near current. What I did learn is that I can dial my wins rate up above 90% and down as low as I like (my pity/joke team Snot Easy Being Green is 5-0-104 :lol: ) by my choice of team, and that's where I lost interest. There are basic principles that haven't changed, and you can get those from Disco's site in text, or from the many videos he and Rosqo and Llennoca and others have made. But if you keep meeting a team of X, Y, and Z, you should be able to think of half-a-dozen candidate counters immediately.

For myself, during Warlords I found the whole PvP game simply an exercise of mental arithmetic. Is my pet going to kill his pet, assuming the most likely moves? Calculate how the health pools go down. If so, am I faster than his likely next pet? If not, will my next pet kill him instantly, or at least without taking much damage? If not, do I have something to swap in that will ruin his whole day? Which two pets do I want left at the end? Then mix in any gimmicks and AoE (which makes it a lot tougher, since you have to keep backline HP in general view as well.) I did find it very tiring, and I imagine I still would.

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Re: Skill? What helped you develop your skills?

Post by Uduwudu » May 10th, 2021, 8:42 pm

Hi,

Knowledge helps, but getting to it is the issue ... reading a lot is often more confusing than helpful and you can read one or two websites, and you know quickly that the poster DID NOT even try the battle ... because the fight is not even close ... and one great example is FARYL in Ardenweald where a lot of the suggestions in that one website are just bad jokes ... and written without any care whatsoever to the pet's abilities that you are fighting and the fact that they hit twice harder than any normal pet with the same abilities!

What I did, and I probably am not a good one to discuss strategy, is that I keep a NOTEPAD file with the list of fights and what has worked for me ... with the only fight giving me problems being the FARYL fight. Other than that it is not too bad, however, now that I read this thread I have not even checked Xu-Fu for their strategy, specially when they have been so reliable for so long.

One other detail about Xu-Fu ... do not, under any circumstances, get "attached" to one pet all the time ... you got to learn other pet's abilities and how to use them ... and a really good way to learn these is to go through the pet battles on the Timeless Isle (yeah the ones that you have to do for 3 different weeks 4 times to get the 4 pets!!!!!) ... and pay special attention to the details and the spells used ... in the end, you will end up adding at least 10 to 15 other pets to your "arsenal" and use them more ... and in many ways this is more fun.

All in all, I am relying less and less on Wowhead ... too many posts, it looks like are "theory/idea crafting" based on pet battles 5 or 6 years ago, and the pets these days, switch bases too many times and often have spells that belong to another set of types, that you did not expect for one critter, or aquatic or undead. This makes the fights a bit harder ... but once you learn to vary your "knowledge", I think that things get easier ... my take these days is that I can't even stay under 800/900 pet charms any day of the week, though I am silly enough to use those battles for all the 3 and 4 sets of fights for the factions. Considering the ease of some of these, I imagine that sooner or later some of this will get nerf'd ... and the fights changed.

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