Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Minivivi » September 7th, 2017, 10:12 am

Papazol wrote: Snozz with dragonkin family.
1. [pet]Yu'la, Broodling of Yu'lon[/pet] - Breath/Celestial blessing/Life exchange
2. [pet]Infinite hatchling[/pet] - Breath/Temporal anomaly/Early advantage
3. [pet]Emmigosa[/pet] - Claw/Wind magic/Surge of power
Start from Yu'la, is swaped on Hatchling - Advantage-Temporal anomaly, is swaped (or dies) on Emmigoza - Claw-Wind magic-Claw, is swaped on Yu'la-Breath-Life exchange-Breath, is swaped (or dies) on Emmigoza-Surge of power. Possible win.
Dragon team needs like 100-150 dmg more, so win conditions are Infinite hatchling death and good dmg roll from Breath and Claw. It is like 1 win in 5 atempts.
Thank you, Papazol! This strategy was the winning combination for the Family Fighter achievement for me. I tried other strategies without any success but with patience and persistence, on try #51 the RNG Goddess gave me the win by 18 points.
It is an amazingly, brilliant strategy! Kudos for figuring out how to beat the Snozz.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Vaeevictiss » September 7th, 2017, 1:13 pm

Minivivi wrote:
Papazol wrote: Snozz with dragonkin family.
1. [pet]Yu'la, Broodling of Yu'lon[/pet] - Breath/Celestial blessing/Life exchange
2. [pet]Infinite hatchling[/pet] - Breath/Temporal anomaly/Early advantage
3. [pet]Emmigosa[/pet] - Claw/Wind magic/Surge of power
Start from Yu'la, is swaped on Hatchling - Advantage-Temporal anomaly, is swaped (or dies) on Emmigoza - Claw-Wind magic-Claw, is swaped on Yu'la-Breath-Life exchange-Breath, is swaped (or dies) on Emmigoza-Surge of power. Possible win.
Dragon team needs like 100-150 dmg more, so win conditions are Infinite hatchling death and good dmg roll from Breath and Claw. It is like 1 win in 5 atempts.
Thank you, Papazol! This strategy was the winning combination for the Family Fighter achievement for me. I tried other strategies without any success but with patience and persistence, on try #51 the RNG Goddess gave me the win by 18 points.
It is an amazingly, brilliant strategy! Kudos for figuring out how to beat the Snozz.
After 30+ attempts with this i have realized that the amount of luck required with this is astonishing. Here is what HAS to happen for this to actually work...

1. Hatchling MUST die when he gets swapped out or he will end with 280hp which is the same hp Emmigosa will also have and for whatever reason, since they have the same HP, Hatchling is the one that gets picked and you'll loose. To make sure Hatchling dies, he MUST get hit with flank 3 times.

2. Snozz CANNOT crit anywhere...maybe on a flank...once.

3. Yu'la MUST get hit with flank twice to have a low enough HP for life exchange to take enough from snozz.

4. Emmigosa HAS to crit with claw after Snozz heals.

If Yu'las last breath does not put Snozz at 402 or lower, just start over and try again. for whatever reason, Surge will never crit.

This fight is frustrating as hell.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Sellys » September 7th, 2017, 1:25 pm

Of those, I think the only one I got on my kill was 3). Yu'la does need to get double tapped so you steal enough health with Life Exchange.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Vaeevictiss » September 7th, 2017, 1:53 pm

just hit 50 attempts here on snozz with the dragon team...F this RNG

EDIT: 52 attempts did it! finally got a solid crit with flame breath bringing him to 250ish so swap then surge finished him off.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Minivivi » September 7th, 2017, 3:26 pm

This strategy for Snozz and Dragonkin is the ONLY one that I have found that works. Period. I tried them all and created numerous ones myself to no avail.
It is difficult to almost impossible and takes the patience and persistence of a SAINT but it will eventually be successful
I am simply in awe of Papazol!

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Papazol » September 7th, 2017, 3:30 pm

Nice to see it helps so many ppl. You make me happy, realy. :roll:
From another side, I have to say thank to Warcraftpets forum. I also get some strategies here. ;)

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Jodmos » September 7th, 2017, 3:51 pm

Wondering how many of the people that have completed this got Gloamwing aquatic by doing Snozz yesterday. Seems ridiculously hard due to high speed, swaps and buffed damaged vs aquatics. And then there is the RNG of how many Slicing Wind hits it does.

Edit - About 10 minutes after posting, got it.

Mud jumper - 1-2-1 (H/B)
Gulp Froglet - x-1-2 (H/B)
Gahz'Rooki - 2-2-2

1 - whatever
2 - Gulp uses Mudslide
3 - Gulp uses Corpse Explosion (if slicing wind hits once - if not, restart) put in Mud Jumper
4 - Bubble
5 - Swarm of Flies
6 - Water Jet
7 - Water Jet
8 - Predatory Strike kills Mud Jumper
9 - Gahz'rooki uses Swallow You Whole
10 - Swallow You Whole (this one does extra damage)

I got a crit on Mudslide for 310 damage whereas it's was doing 207 without, that may have made the difference
Last edited by Jodmos on September 7th, 2017, 4:24 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Sellys » September 7th, 2017, 4:12 pm

I don't understand. Doing snozz gave credit for Gloamwing? B/c Gloamwing is REALLY stomping my aquatics.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Jodmos » September 7th, 2017, 4:23 pm

There was a bug where Snozz gave Gloaming credit and Gloamwing gave Snozz credit. Fixed this morning so only happened day 1. But only for aquatics.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Sellys » September 7th, 2017, 5:25 pm

Jod, how do you get Bubble/Swarm/Water Jet x2 off? Don't you get swapped on round 4 before you can bubble?

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Jodmos » September 7th, 2017, 5:54 pm

The mudslide prevents the pet from being swapped out

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Abutabah » September 7th, 2017, 6:29 pm

Jodmos wrote:Wondering how many of the people that have completed this got Gloamwing aquatic by doing Snozz yesterday. Seems ridiculously hard due to high speed, swaps and buffed damaged vs aquatics. And then there is the RNG of how many Slicing Wind hits it does.

Edit - About 10 minutes after posting, got it.

Mud jumper - 1-2-1 (H/B)
Gulp Froglet - x-1-2 (H/B)
Gahz'Rooki - 2-2-2

1 - whatever
2 - Gulp uses Mudslide
3 - Gulp uses Corpse Explosion (if slicing wind hits once - if not, restart) put in Mud Jumper
4 - Bubble
5 - Swarm of Flies
6 - Water Jet
7 - Water Jet
8 - Predatory Strike kills Mud Jumper
9 - Gahz'rooki uses Swallow You Whole
10 - Swallow You Whole (this one does extra damage)

I got a crit on Mudslide for 310 damage whereas it's was doing 207 without, that may have made the difference
Do you have to use H/B breed for Gulp ? I have BB and HP these pets are hard to get.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Papazol » September 7th, 2017, 7:22 pm

Bucky
...with mechanical family.
1. Darkmoon tonk - Missile/Shock and Awe/Ion cannon
2. Dranei micro defender - Metal fist/Reflective shield/Explode
3. Darkmoon zeppelin - Missile/Explode/Decoy
Tonk is swaped on Zepp - Missile*2-Explode. Tonk is swaped on Defender - Shield - Explode. Win.

Bucky is defeated by all familia.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Sellys » September 8th, 2017, 9:51 am

Jodmos wrote:The mudslide prevents the pet from being swapped out
That's brilliant. Now to borrow a Gulp Froglet from someone.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Jodmos » September 8th, 2017, 1:22 pm

Abutabah wrote:
Do you have to use H/B breed for Gulp ? I have BB and HP these pets are hard to get.
Frankly that's just the frog I have. I put the breed in because some like that. I don't usually pay much attention to breed.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Papazol » September 8th, 2017, 3:24 pm

So, if Gloamwing is so hard, let's do it next.

Gloamwing

... with aquatic family.
1. [pet]Tiny blue carp[/pet] - Surge/Wind magic/Mana surge
2. [pet]Tideskipper[/pet] (1766 hp) - Crush/Body slam/Geyser
3. [pet]Gulp froglet[/pet] (1300 hp) - Frog kiss/Toxic skin/Swarm
This fight isn't hard, just boss pet is bad designed for such fight with high (not so, actualy) random things. To decrease random I lowered Froglet heath by starting game with it like front pet, run after void gate and put in on 3d place.
So fight:
Blue carp - Surge, is swaped on Tideskipper -Crush-Geyser-Crush, Tideskipper dies. Froglet-Swarm, Froglet dies. Blue carp - Mana surge.

This fight has 3 points with random.
A. Tideskipper hasn't die from Predator strike or Slicing wind. he has die from Void. It is happens like 1 time in 15-20 trys. So, "1-3" is mostly "2-3" for boss.
B. Froglet has die from 2d Slicing wind. It does 397 dmg non crit so with full hp Froglet needs to be hitted like 5 times. With less 1600 hp but higher 1200, it needs only 2:2 what is real and doesn't die from 3+.
C. We need good dmg roll. Some dmg is obligate - surge 115, swarm - 21*3, Geyser - 713, 1st Mana surge - 713. So it is 1604 dmg, and we need 432 more from Crush and 2d Mana surge hits. Crush may do 112-205, 2d Mana surge 232-348. In worst case even get great Slicing wind we may get only 324 dmg. And I got this scenario (6 hp left) before win. But with middle dmg rolls or any crit from Surge or Crush we get good dmg.
Still, I have say what win is 1 for 50-100 trys (Slicing wind random). So, up to you.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Papazol » September 9th, 2017, 2:50 pm

...with mechanical family
1. [pet]Darkmoon tonk[/pet] - Charge/Shock and Awe/Ion cannon
2. [pet]Dranei micro defender[/pet] - Metal fist/Reflective shield/Explode
3. [pet]Darkmoon zeppelin[/pet] - Missile/Explode/Decoy
Easy fight.
Tonk -Charge,is swaped on Zepp - Missile-Decoy-Missile-Explode. Tonk - Shock and Awe-Charge, is swaped on Defender - Shield - Explode.

...with beast family.
1. [pet]Zandalari footslasher[/pet] (305 spd) - Hunting party/Primal cry/Bloodfang
2. [pet]Son of skum[/pet] - Stampede/Stoneskin/Lightning shield
3. [pet]Snowfang[/pet] (1000 hp) - Ice lance/Frost shock/Ice tomb
Fight is aquatic stile but much more easier.
First decrease Snowfang hp to 1000.
Fight - Footslasher is swaped on Son - Lightning shield-Stampede, Son dies. Snowfang - Ice tomb, Snowfang dies. Footslasher - hunting party - Bloodfang. Win.
Win conditions:
- Son has die from Void,
- Snowfang has die from 2d Slicing wind.
You can win every 2d time or more often.

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Re: Family Fighter. Unexpected journey

Post by Papazol » September 9th, 2017, 5:15 pm

...with elemental family.
1. [pet]Jadefire spirit[/pet] - Jade claw/Immolate/Fade
2. [pet]Crazy carrot[/pet] - Ironbark/Aged york/Blistering cold
3. [pet]Ominous flame[/pet] - Spiritfire bolt/Scourched earth/Forboding curse
Jadefire is swaped on Carrot - Ironbark-Blistering cold, Carrot dies. Flame - Scourched earth-Forboding curse, flame dies. Jadefire - Fade-Jade claw*2. Win.

...with magic family.
1. [pet]Zeradar[/pet] - Arcane slash/Psyonic storm/Portal
2. [pet]Enchanted pen[/pet] - Quills/Evanescence/Forboding curse
3. [pet]Ethereal soul-trader[/pet]- Beam/Inner vision/Life exchange
Zeradar starts from Portal, Soul-trader - Beam-Life exchange, is swaped on Zeradar - Psyonic storm - Arcane slash, Zeradar dies. Enchanted pen - Forboding curse -Quills-Evanecence-Quills*... Win.

...with critter family.
1. [pet]Silkbead snail[/pet] - Ooze touch/Acidic goo/Dive
2. [pet]Gu'chi swarmling[/pet] - Swarm/Acidic goo/Burrow
3. [pet]Giant sewer rat[/pet] - Comeback/Poison fang/Stampede
Snail is swaped on Gu'chi - Acidic goo-Swarm, Gu'chi dies. Rat - Comeback-Stampede, Rat is swaped on Snail - Ooze touch. Win.

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