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Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Elfheaven » March 10th, 2014, 5:54 pm

Hi Fellow Pet Battlers,
I want to see how people feel about alot of pet battle guides that are about at the moment.
I get really piss'd off because i see sooo many guides full of pets that many people cant afford to buy, dont want to buy , as atfer all its a game, and are already paying just to play.
I feel this make some P Battlers thinking , hey whats the point?
As for myself, i am forever thinking, ffs, another pet to lvl to 25 and i have many that i have already lvled but there always seems like .."that ones missing" damn that ones missing.
Am i the only one feeling this???????

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Tekulve2012 » March 11th, 2014, 7:51 am

Hiya

Welcome to the forums! I appreciate your frustration. Many long time members here (myself included) post suggestions and battle teams presuming players have a well stocked field of levelled pets. I expressed a concern a couple of patches ago that Blizz. needs to slow down the influx of new pets and pricey ones (see RAF,Dread hatch,Gladiator Murk,Murkalot,tcgs.etc)

We run the risk of turning off new(er) players from getting into this aspect of WoW.... anyone starting at zero pets knows there are more than 600 pets (25+ costing RL $) People might just say forget it ...I'm not commiting my whole life and wallet to acquiring fictional pets and 100s of hours to levelling them.

In the guilds I'm in, I have given a lot of free starter pets to excited new collectors partly for this reason.

I'm interested in hearing suggestions on how to combat this ...I know WCP site is a super help and people do what they can for guildies but maybe a more coordinated approach is required to help struggling and frustrated pet lovers and players get into the deeper content with success.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Vek » March 11th, 2014, 8:22 am

Hi Elfheaven.

Not exactly sure what guides in general you are talking about, Pandaria Tamers, Beasts of Fable or Celestial Tournament? You really don't need guides much for stuff before those three, well perhaps some help against Jeremy Feasel or Major Payne. Since I haven't bought a pet outside AH I can tell you that the paid-for pets are not needed as such. Yes some guides include these kinds of pets but there are some guides that go out of their way to provide you with help using ONLY wild capturable pets. So look for those guides instead.

Your other point, always another pet to level to 25. Well there certainly is a critical mass of pets needed to be 25 for it to be easy to farm PvE. But once you reach that there really is no "need" to level more.

For PvP it's a whole other ball game. Here it is really up to you. Someone might level just 3 pets to 25 and go with them against all comers. Someone else might want to have a full stable to chose from. I have quite a lot of pets at 25, but nowadays I still go out and hunt for certain breeds that would work even better in a specific role. I don't see this as a problem.

When I started out I had no clue what pets to level and didn't read any guides. After a while I of course noticed that the pets I did have really didn't cut it versus certain trainers. So first step was to level one of each family to 25. After that I checked this list, pets with unique ability setup:
http://www.warcraftpets.com/abilities/unique/
here on warcraftpets. I didn't level these pets from A to Z, but actually took the time to look at them and figured which one I would find most useful next.

But it does feel a bit slow at the start, but you can level up a huge amount of pets really fast when you have Pandaria Trainers on farm, especially if you already catch the pets at a high level.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Arshadi » March 11th, 2014, 8:25 am

I find complaints like this one really annoying for three reasons:
1. They indicate someone who is more interested in complaining than in taking a good look at the information that is freely available on these boards.
2. They indicate someone who doesn't want to think. If I see a pet recommended in a guide that I don't have, it is easy and interesting to look up an alternative pet with the same or similar abilities that can be subbed in. You can do that right here on this very website: http://www.warcraftpets.com/abilities/unique/
3. They fail to appreciate the many, many folks on these boards who have put tremendous effort into posting thoughtful and comprehensive guides, sharing links and tips, and making sure everyone knows about websites offering assistance ranging from full guides to video demonstrations, all using easily attainable pets. Some of these posters are kind enough to share their own site and blog content here rather than link it. But hey, let's complain instead.

Honestly, if your first reaction to seeing that a specific pet type may be useful is, "ffs, another to level to 25" then I'd suggest you engage in pet battles at a more casual level.

As to another poster's suggestion that Blizzard "slow down" on making new pets available: Are you kidding? New pets help fuel interest in both pet collecting and pet battles. Suggesting that this stop makes about as much sense as suggesting that Blizzard stop releasing expansions because the new content costs money and the changes might overwhelm new players =P.

Blizzard's responsibility and challenge is to make a wide variety of content available to players who have different levels of interest. Some people will never do Heroic raiding. Some people will never do competitive PvP. Some people will never collect every pet, or win every pet battle tournament. That's fine, so long as there is fun and accessible PvE/PvP/pet battle content available at all levels. Blizzard has done a pretty good job with that nearly-impossible task.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Tekulve2012 » March 11th, 2014, 10:16 am

Arshadi~
Maybe I should qualify my 'Blizz.slow down' comment a bit further. I find that if there are 18 kinds of moth, 10 kinds of maggot and 22 snakes of a different color, it waters down the field. It's hindsight but I think quality outweighs quantity.

I love the art and thought put into some of the new pets and I think Blizz. gets a lot right in this ..obviously.. I'm one who has poured inordinate amounts of time, effort and money into the hobby. But I'm merely suggesting it must be intimidating for people freshly starting and beyond this site I'd like to see logistical things that can be done (in game collecting tweaks /guild achieves related to overall pet stats ...mentoring perks) to help other people get started into pet battling and collecting.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Graven » March 11th, 2014, 1:31 pm

It's perfectly possible to do any of the pet battles in the game using only pets gained in-game. No additional purchases required.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Hootstwo » March 11th, 2014, 3:14 pm

Graven wrote:It's perfectly possible to do any of the pet battles in the game using only pets gained in-game. No additional purchases required.

Totally agree with this. It's only in the very recent past that I've had any pets that required any RL money, but I have nearly every pet readily available in the game and there's been absolutely no battle that I didn't have a reasonable team for.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Zaheer12a » March 20th, 2014, 5:01 am

Hootstwo wrote:
Graven wrote:It's perfectly possible to do any of the pet battles in the game using only pets gained in-game. No additional purchases required.

Totally agree with this. It's only in the very recent past that I've had any pets that required any RL money, but I have nearly every pet readily available in the game and there's been absolutely no battle that I didn't have a reasonable team for.


I have to say that even in-game pets can be a huge pain to acquire. Prime examples are the Archaeology pets and pets from Karazhan or AQ. It's frustrating to do Karazhan 11 times a week to find one wolf scenario. Also soloing the Chess Event... bleh. Not everyone can/knows how to solo Viscidus either. An alternative is to buy these, but not everyone has the gold to do that either.

To be clear, I'm not complaining, I've already got most of these hard to get pets. I can see where people come from however when they complain about it.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Mojogrow » March 20th, 2014, 9:17 am

I have to say that even in-game pets can be a huge pain to acquire. Prime examples are the Archaeology pets and pets from Karazhan or AQ. It's frustrating to do Karazhan 11 times a week to find one wolf scenario. Also soloing the Chess Event... bleh. Not everyone can/knows how to solo Viscidus either. An alternative is to buy these, but not everyone has the gold to do that either.

To be clear, I'm not complaining, I've already got most of these hard to get pets. I can see where people come from however when they complain about it.


I agree completely! Some of these pets are incredibly expensive and take forever to get. Case and point, The Tol'vir Crawling Claw.

But what I think is that people put such pets into their guides to be able to use and show off their rare pets, and not because they're "OP". For example, I see a lot of people using Blackfuse Bombling, and while it is by no means a bad or underpowered pet, it is also nothing too "OMGWOW" spectacular, and this thing costs more than my house... To be perfectly honest, one of the hardest team I ever faced was a S/S Rabbit, a P/P E.Crab and a H/H Scourged Whelping, completely and utterly shutting me down, and not a single one of those cost a dime.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Thralkhar » May 2nd, 2014, 7:01 am

I know I am a bit late to the thread, but let me also point out that there are some great trainers out there willing to share knowledge on how to quickly level pets without a lot of fuss and effort. One that comes to mind immediately is hazel from Hazelnuttygames (see youtube I can't post external links because others have spammed links before) who makes it very easy to get that first team of 3 from 1 to 25. There is great advice in the forums , Youtube and the net in general if you simply take the time to look.

In my own case, coming back after leaving just after LK, I was overwhelmed by the pet system . Yes I had 150 unique pets ( a few more but meh) because I was a completionist and pet collector way before pet battling. They were of course all level 1. I will also say that is is Arshadi and the crew of Pango Honoratus that are the reason I am still playing WoW right now. I noticed a forum post by her offering pet collectors membership in the guild for the purposes of getting some pets that they had access to (Armadillo Pup, Dark Phoenix Hatchling, Lil' Tarecgosa, Thundering Serpent Hatchling) and so I rolled a toon on Twisting Nether and they accepted me immediately. Now I am working my way back into raiding ( I will have to re-apply to the guild when that happens) but they combine the 3 things I enjoyed most about WoW. Collecting, Raiding and Fun Folks.

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Digem » May 2nd, 2014, 10:55 am

First off it isn't suppose to be easy it should take some work to get ones pets up to level 25, have the right breed , and the right combination of pets . Some of us have been collecting for years and took the time to level ALL my almost 600 unque pets to 25.

Secondly, no pay for pets are must have. One can run with in game pets and be just fine.

Thirdly, raid pets are suppose to eat up time to get that is why blizz added them.
And on most servers now the pet market is rather cheap.
Just make an alt on one of the cheaper servers and get any pet you want.
Which is what I did and multiple posts talk about doing.
Even though now on most servers the ah pets have dropped considerably.
If you are a level 90 should have no problem getting the money needed to buy these pets and if you can't then one doesn't know how to farm or do dailies which gives on plenty of money.

Finally, yes it takes some time and effort but that is what it is designed for.
I am sick of people wanting the easy way to have all the pets and leveled.
It takes work and time but if it is what you want to do then it is worth it.
One can't heroic raid SOO once they hit 90 or pvp and do well takes time to gear up as so it does to be top pet battler.
I wouldn't want it any other way

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Graven » May 2nd, 2014, 12:50 pm

Mojogrow wrote:I agree completely! Some of these pets are incredibly expensive and take forever to get. Case and point, The Tol'vir Crawling Claw.


Yep, pets like the claw are indeed rare and hard to come by, and why shouldn't they be? They are not in any way essential for any pet battle, so having it just means you like to collect pets. Obviously it's going to be daunting if a new collector comes along and says "wow, 600 pets and I just have to get them all as fast as possible" but who seriously does that? Many of us probably started out as casual collectors and gradually succumbed to the pet love. ;)

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Elfheaven » June 2nd, 2014, 11:11 am

Hi Peeps
I take onboard what youare all saying and everyone has valid points, i have since added and lvlled more pets won pets, traded ect.... Hazelnuttygames i agree is a very knowledgable player and often find what i need from her site, and along with a few others. I just think at the time i was also in a rats with myself leveling to do the celestials, but have now got a better choice of pets that i can pvp with too.
So now i can potter along collecting more in-game pets without a frantic need to lvl pets. But i still think the speed of which pets that need RL money, and some achievents needing VERY expensive in-game gold to complete is not an incentive for dedicated pet battlers, that are not in guilds, or are pve players or non raiders, like myself.
But i would like to thank you ALL for your opinions.
:D

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Elfheaven » June 2nd, 2014, 11:22 am

P.S guys... whats the most boring,annoying, uninspiring pvp team set up..... for me at the moment has to be 3 Mechanical Pandarian Dragonlings!!! ZZZZZzzzzZZZZZ time!! :roll:

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Tekulve2012 » June 2nd, 2014, 4:41 pm

Oh but isn't it fun to burn down a triple adder or triple much dragonling team?!

Go Lil rags and Enchanted broom!...

Oh, and spreading DAH guts flying with a RI buffed Armeggedon ?....magical

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Lastly, my opinion stated a few months ago on this thread...forget it...let the pets come in droves ...pets of any sort, origin, price etc. I love them all ...but I would ask that the developers make an attack set for all the non battle pets ..let a guild page dust it up come on!!!

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Re: Battles with pets that are collected!!

Postby Elfheaven » June 3rd, 2014, 5:51 am

HeeHee,
I think Blizzard need to look at maybe Ants (rare strength and power) or a Flea with dps of Pest Bite (causes the enermy team to scratch insanely for 2 rounds and causing bleed on the 3rd! lol :twisted:


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