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Stone Rush discovery

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Luciandk
 
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Stone Rush discovery

Postby Luciandk » June 10th, 2013, 8:57 am

Have anyone else noticed this thing about Stone Rush?

I was sitting and thinking about what could be possible with it once 5.4 hits and elementals gets muchly improved in only getting the good effects of weather and ignoring the bad. I briefly considered leveling up a Tideskipper to test its Body slam with Sandstorm. When I noticed I could just use a Living Sandling due to it having both Stoneskin and Stone Rush.

I tested it out, both with and without Stoneskin on. The self inflicted damage from Stone Rush is reduced by the exact amount blocked by Stoneskin. So it stands to belief that come 5.4 Sandstorm will work in a similar way.

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Re: Stone Rush discovery

Postby Poofah » June 10th, 2013, 5:56 pm

Stone Rush is interesting: it does 35 base damage to the opponent, and 15 to you. So on balance, you come out ahead by 20 damage, which is equivalent to a basic attack like Punch/Bite. However, you are significantly speeding up the game, which makes going first much more valuable--and he has a built-in spammable 25% speed debuff, so against many pets you'll get to go first despite having 228 base speed.

Stone Rush is also great because you only take the blowback damage if you hit the opponent, so it's relatively risk-free. The 1 round cooldown is slightly annoying though--but in this case you'll almost certainly take Sand Bolt in slot 1 so it's less of an issue.

As for Sandstorm+Stone Rush: normally Stone Rush is 35 for them and 15 for you; under Sandstorm, it's 30 for them and 10 for you. So it's still a difference of 20 damage, which seems like a wash. However if you look at a basic attack like Punch: it's normally 20 damage, and 15 under Sandstorm. So, although you're reducing overall damage and thus reducing the value of a turn (and thus reducing the value of Sand Bolt), you're now breaking the symmetry of Sandstorm and coming out ahead on damage. On balance, I suspect it's worth it.

The breed 7 Sandling has 1709 health, 289 power, 228 speed -- it outspeeds a 304 speed opponent with the Sand Bolt debuff, and Stone Rush hits for 464 under Sandstorm (plus 155 damage to self). This is pretty good! I'm assuming that the Elemental passive will prevent the -10% hit debuff from applying to the Sandling, but will not allow the Sandling to bypass the opponent's Sandstorm shield. But if it does... ouch.

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Re: Stone Rush discovery

Postby Luciandk » June 11th, 2013, 6:48 am

Perhaps a breed 9 living sandling would be more valuable then for a staller pet come 5.4, as theres a goodly number of annoying pets with 333 speed.

1709 health, 260 attack, 257 speed. Using Sand Bolt, Sandstorm and Stone Rush. Opening with Sandstorm, then alternating Sand Bolts and Stone Rushes. Able to lower pets up to 333 speed below itself in speed for the Stone Rushes.


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