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Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

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Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Virgilioar » June 10th, 2016, 2:59 pm

The Fiendish Imp had been destined for greatness. Versatile and resourceful, the PVP potential of this nether demon, previously shadowed by Warlocks, exploded in when it came to setting ablaze its fellow companions. He dominated every arena, eloquently controlling battlefields lined with the most fearsome of enemies, successfully coming back from the gravest of injuries until that fateful day when gravity itself renamed Graves challenged his reign. However, from the brink of irrelevance rose a Fiendish Imp and his brave companions to challenge the new status quo.

The team (Nickname - Pet):

V Shade - Nightshade Sproutling
V Rook - Fiendish Imp
V Desecrate - Ghastly Kid

If I fought on a different team, it did not affect the score.

Final Standing:
100-18
84% Win

Considering this is a specific population (people who name their pets), I also provide PVP Pet Battles won at max level:
-May 15 - 9605
-May 20 - 9743
-May 30 - 9968
-June 5 - 10,092
-June 10 - 10,171

The Teams I Faced:

I identify the competitors here

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0-3

Sipping - Graves

On - Bone Serpent

Purp - Frostwolf Ghostpup
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0-1

Prometheus - Ore Eater

>No Name< - Aqua Strider

Daedalus - Ore Eater
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0-1

Billy Chin - Frostfur Rat

Big Boss - Rabbit

Sammy Chung - Frostfur Rat
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0-1

Jazzybow - Death Adder Hatchling

Petz - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Qickk - Spring Rabbit
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0-1

Jumbo - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Vince - Vendefull Porcupette

Basenji - Teroclaw Hatchling
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0-1

Schwarzenegger - Death Talon Whelp

Kai - Lucky Quilen Cub

Olympia - Spirit of Summer
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2-3

>No Name< - Bone Serpent

Just Give Up - Graves

Just Give Up - Fragment of Anger
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1-1

Temujin - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Sargonofakkad - Graves

Bismarck - Ghastly Kid
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1-1

Slytherin - Death Adder Hatchling

Activision Sux - Graves

Hayabusa - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling
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1-1

Junkyard Dawg - Stitched Pup

Grease Lightning - Mechanical Pandaren Dragooning

>No Name< - Emperor Crab
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1-1

Gladys - Ghastly Kid

Shui Lei - Puddle Terror

Lakyn - Weebomination
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2-1

Nimoy - Graves

Takei - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

Shatner - Weebomination
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2-1

Bullet Farmer - Crusher

Han Solo - Bone Serpent

Riddler - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling
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6-1

Just Give Up - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Just Give Up - Graves

Just Give Up - Fragment of Anger
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1-0

Gyarados - Hydraling

Haunter - Unborn Val'kyr

Fearow - Teroclaw Hatchling
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1-0

Abortion - Unborn Val'kyr

Dasani - Pandaren Water Spirit

Thè Beast- Chrominius
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1-0

Terminator - Mechanical Scorpid

Deadlybrawler - Ghastly Kid

Boned Again - Bone Serpent
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1-0

Luz Arcana - Hyjal Wisp

Metalsheilong - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

>No Name< - Unborn Val'kyr
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1-0

Whedon - Pocket Reaver

Be Confident - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

Psychochicken - Robo-Chick
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1-0

Never Give Up - Blossoming Ancient

Keep Learning - Magical Crawdad

Cyalume - Fel Flame
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1-0

Never Give Up - Blossoming Ancient

Keep Learning - Magical Crawdad

Be Creative - Silkbead Snail
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1-0

Ice T - Frosty

Your Horrible - Fossilized Hatchling

>No Name< Albino Chimaeraling
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1-0

Never Give Up - Blossoming Ancient

Keep Learning - Magical Crawdad

Killwithkindness - Ikky
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1-0

Pistachio - Nuts

Tremors - Pandaren Earth Spirit

Panda - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling
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1-0

Wolf Of Evul - Lil' Bad Wolf

Horns of Evul - Lil' Tarecgosa

Crab of Evul - Magical Crawdad
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1-0

Newton - Graves

Einstein - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

Hawking - Weebomination
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1-0

Never Give Up - Blossoming Ancient

Never Give Up - Magical Crawdad

Sock or Kleenex - Ikky
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1-0

Amber Herd - Shy Bandicoon

Johnny Deep - Mountain Panda

Frostboo - Frostwolf Ghostpup
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1-0

Never Give Up - Alpine Hare

Never Give Up - Tolai Hare

Never Give Up - Tolai Hare Pup
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1-0

Never Give Up - Blossoming Ancient

Never Give Up - Magical Crawdad

Fiddly Feelers - Marsh Fiddler
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1-0

Mittens - Scalded Basilisk Hatchling

Gladys - Ghastly Kid

Laura - Prairie Mouse
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1-0

Jazo - Jade Oozeling

Templeton - Fragment of Anger

Baker - Emperor Crab
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1-0

Bonecrapper - Bone Serpent

Zandcrappari - Zandalari Anklerender

Zandalarcrapp - Zandalari Toenibbler
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1-0

Bonecrapper - Bone Serpent

Frostcrapp - Frostwolf Ghostpup

Fecal Mech - Cogblade Raptor
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1-0

Newton - Graves

Einstein - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

Darwin - Weebomination
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1-0

Baba - Bonkers

Booey - Bonkers

Flaflaflunky - Bonkers
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1-0

Black - Black Rat

Skid - Bone Serpent

Steve - Lava Crab
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1-0

Travis - Moon Moon

Lucius - Brightpaw

Erie - Unborn Val'kyr
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1-0

Ilium - Fossilized Hatchling

Ischium - Fossilized Hatchling

Copernicus - Nexus Whelpling
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1-0

>No Name< - Fossilized Hatchling

Interfere - Winter Reindeer

Fix Me Not - Clockwork Gnome
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1-0

Fimose - Fossilized Hatchling

Lion O - Lil' Bad Wolf

Mumm Ra - Voodoo Figurine
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1-0

Scaredofyou - Infected Squirrel

Ice T - Frosty

Foxylady - Alpine Foxling Kit
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1-0

Ugotbeat - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

Bya - Weebomination

Rover - Frostwolf Ghostpup
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1-0

Lexi - Netherwhelp

>No Name< - Chi-Chi, Hatchling of Chi-Ji

Oh - Xu-Fu, Cub of Xuen
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1-0

Hades - Searing Scorching

Po - Pandaren Monk

Lil Ony - Onyxian Whelpling
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1-0

Redemption - Unborn Val'kyr

Death Wing Jr - Onyxian Whelpling

Slither - Silkbead Snail
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1-0

Yearning - Fragment of Desire

Fluffy - Teroclaw Hatchling

Bolt - Molten Corgi
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1-0

Splash - Pandaren Water Spirit

Stinky - Stitched Pup

Snork - Lifelike Mechanical Frostboar
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1-0

Dragonfly - Son of Sethe

Donatelo - Crusher

>No Name< - Phoenix Hawk Hatchling
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1-0

Bestrode - Mountain Panda

Buster - Kun-Lai Runt

>No Name< - Chuck
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1-0

>No Name< Lil' K.T.

El Gato Volador - Feline Familiar

Fueguin - Searing Scorching
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1-0

World Breaker - Lil' XT

Firelord Ozai - Lil' Ragnaros

I Want That Tree - Father Winter's Helper
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1-0

Cantor - Trunks

Less - Fragment of Anger

Ninja - Mountain Cottontail
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1-0

Ju Long - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Aster - Bone Serpent

Dusk - Graves
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1-0

Chinkee - Blighthawk

Dogface - Iron Starlette

Sanfrancoolies - Blighthawk
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1-0

Bonehead - Bone Serpent

Nethermore - Lost Netherpup

Anubis - Anubisath Idol
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1-0

Mechazword - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Nubi - Anubisath Idol

Littlefoot - Hydraling
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1-0

Blightpaw - Fel Pup

Drowzarius - Emerald Whelpling

Iron Falcon - Darkmoon Tonk
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1-0

Im Better - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Im Better - Mountain Panda

Im Better - Hopling
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1-0

>No Name< - Infected Squirrel

Skrillex - Fiendish Imp

Try Again - Chrominius
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1-0

Black - Black Rat

Steve - Lava Crab

Brass - Cogblade Raptor
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1-0

Its - Fragment of Anger

Goin - Graves

Down - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling
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1-0

Even Scrubs - Alpine Foxling

Get Lucky - Bone Serpent

Aye Scrub - Bone Serpent
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1-0

Tooeazy - Darkmoon Zeppelin

Getrekt - Death Adder Hatchling

Nlgger - Enchanted Lantern
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1-0

Boris - Spider

Ziggy Stardust - Crystal Spider

Old Boris - Jumping Spider
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1-0

Little Shid - Core Hound Pup

Broodily - Brilliant Bloodfeather

Bla Fling - Blackfuse Bombling
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1-0

Boned - Bone Serpent

>No Name< - Mud Jumper

LegendaryBrawler - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling
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1-0

Deadlybrawler - Ghastly Kid

>No Name< - Lifelike Mechanical Frostboar

Boned - Bone Serpent
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1-0

Boned - Bone Serpent

>No Name< - Warbot

LegendaryBrawler - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling
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1-0

Terminator - Mechanical Scorpid

>No Name< - Mud Jumper

LegendaryBrawler - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling
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1-0

Trump - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

>No Name< - Ruby Droplet

Nevercruz - Graves
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2-0

Tantor - Trunks

Lyssa - Fragment of Anger

Ninja - Mountain Cottontail
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2-0

Bailey - Jademist Dancer

Gobstopper - Crusher

Baby Ruth - Yellow-Bellied Bullfrog
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2-0

This Team Pwns - Blossoming Ancient

Weak Azz Graves - Magical Crawdad

Team Lose - Mountain Skunk
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2-0

Curly - Fragment of Anger

Larry - Fragment of Desire

Moe - Fragment of Suffering
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2-0

Clyde - Alpine Foxling

Werg - Lil' Bad Wolf

>No Name< - Magical Crawdad
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2-0

Blakflightleda - Ikky

Blakflightbomba - Ikky

Blakflightkilla - Ikky
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3-0

Trump - Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling

Willbepotus - Weebomination

Nevercruz - Graves
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3-0

Chilly - Willy

Blockade - Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling

Teeball - Softshell Snapling
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3-0

Neildegrasse - Weebomination

Lawrencekrauss - Droplet of Y'Shaarj

Philplait - Scourged Whelpling
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3-0

Ash Lizard - Bone Serpent

Ash Lizard - Bone Serpent

Ash Lizard - Bone Serpent
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3-0

>No Name< - Nightmare Bell

Just Give Up - Graves

Just Give Up - Fragment of Anger
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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Drudatz » June 10th, 2016, 5:45 pm

so were now supposed to "spam" this board with the pvp fights we had? :twisted:

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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Virgilioar » June 11th, 2016, 1:05 pm

Drudatz wrote:so were now supposed to "spam" this board with the pvp fights we had? :twisted:


Not this board, but the one I link below for sure:

PVP Pet Battle - Catalog of CURRENT Players in PVP Queue

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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Biscuit » June 11th, 2016, 2:09 pm

It's a shame we're not on the same server cluster.

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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Virgilioar » June 11th, 2016, 5:40 pm

Biscuit wrote:It's a shame we're not on the same server cluster.


What server are you on? I will make a toon there happily! I am making them all over so as to capture more trainers.

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Postby Logansfury » June 11th, 2016, 7:07 pm

Virgilioar wrote:The team (Nickname - Pet):

V Shade - Nightshade Sproutling
V Rook - Fiendish Imp
V Desecrate - Ghastly Kid


Good Morning Virgil,

Im looking at your team as I always try to experiment with strong counter teams.

This is a counter to Graves running Consume Corpse build correct?

Im guessing its usage is:

set up Haunt
set up Immolation

Darkness to inhibit consume corpse benefit

rotate to keep up DoTs
use Hoof vs undead
primary tank w/Sprout keep up Call Darkness & Blinding Poison

Is this the correct utility of the team?

Dont see any of my teams on the growing list, but ive run into several variants of Moe/Larry/Curly teams. This seems to be a more and more popular naming choice lol.
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Postby Biscuit » June 11th, 2016, 8:29 pm

Virgilioar wrote:
Biscuit wrote:It's a shame we're not on the same server cluster.


What server are you on? I will make a toon there happily! I am making them all over so as to capture more trainers.


I primarily pet pvp on the Madoran server.
I joined the Warcraftpets guild.

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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Gráinne » June 11th, 2016, 9:36 pm

Logansfury wrote:Darkness to inhibit consume corpse benefit


In

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14409#p125900

Virgilioar laid out this team, with Nature's Ward on the Sproutling.

Virgilioar wrote:V Shade - Nightshade Sproutling
Lash | Nature's Ward | Blinding Poison

V Rook - Fiendish Imp
Burn | Immolation | Nether Gate

V Desecrate - Ghastly Kid
Hoof | Ethereal | Haunt


I tried this in a chunk of matches leading up to the 1000, and found the heal instead of the usual Darkness very freeing, giving me a benefit from backlining the Sproutling when I swap in the Kid to Haunt or the Imp to force swap or refresh Immolate.

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Postby Logansfury » June 11th, 2016, 10:00 pm

Thank you Grainne,

I KNEW that team was very very familiar but I browse so many websites for teams I couldnt begin to remember from where lol.

Of all places, it comes from my most favorite recent team thread - I should be ashamed for not remembering considering the time ive spent on the two murkalot teams posted from there >.<

Gonna hit the Equilibrium thread again and make sure ive got this team loaded properly with correct strat notes.
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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Virgilioar » June 11th, 2016, 10:20 pm

Logansfury wrote:
Virgilioar wrote:The team (Nickname - Pet):

V Shade - Nightshade Sproutling
V Rook - Fiendish Imp
V Desecrate - Ghastly Kid


Good Morning Virgil,

Im looking at your team as I always try to experiment with strong counter teams.

This is a counter to Graves running Consume Corpse build correct?

Im guessing its usage is:

set up Haunt
set up Immolation

Darkness to inhibit consume corpse benefit

rotate to keep up DoTs
use Hoof vs undead
primary tank w/Sprout keep up Call Darkness & Blinding Poison

Is this the correct utility of the team?

Dont see any of my teams on the growing list, but ive run into several variants of Moe/Larry/Curly teams. This seems to be a more and more popular naming choice lol.


Don't run with Call Darkness, use Nature's Ward instead. The trick to beating Graves is forcing him to either space his abilities out to avoid your Blinding Poison and Nether Gate OR - when you will get hit by the AoEs and there is nothing you can do - make sure Ghastly Kid is out and using Hoof. It's very important to also time your Blinding Poison to the Graves AoE. The idea is you will get hit by the first two AoE (assuming opponent is running BONESTORM and Grave Destruction) while your Fiendish Imp applies Immolation and either pushes out Graves (especially if he does not AoE to start and instead uses Skull Toss or Consume) or is swapped out for the Ghastly Kid. Let me go over this step by step:

IF Graves opens with AoE to your Immolation, you swap out to the Ghastly Kid next and start Hoof to hurt Graves as much as possible before he is swapped out. IF in the background there is a Mechanical Pandaren Hatchling or some other pet with a defensive ability like Decoy, you might want to predict the opponent's swap and try to get a Haunt in, especially when Graves has Grave Destruction on cool down. This makes it so if the opponent does not swap, you can go on your Nightshade Hatchling and use your heal followed by Blinding Poison on Graves' next set of AoE to buy your Fiendish Imp more time to heal. You can follow the Blinding Poison with a swap to Fiendish Imp and push out the Graves who should be low on health and will hopefully die in the background if Haunt was applied.

The lesson to learn here is that the key to beating Graves is keeping him in the background and making sure when he comes out he is either blinded or being hoofed to death.

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Postby Logansfury » June 11th, 2016, 10:33 pm

Excellent strat breakdown, thank you. Im looking forward to developing proficiency with this team!
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Postby Paladance » June 12th, 2016, 4:26 am

Either I've met a real wall or I was too spontaneous in that battle.

A guy has run Graves, Droplet of Y'shaarj and Scourged Whelpling.

That Acid Rain severely weakened the sproutling. :v

As you can figure out, besides the Standard Graves' Bomb all was based on Dreadful Breath.

But indeed, it's an interesting team. I've seen many moments when pets were just supposed to die, but still stood tall with <100 HP. :mrgreen:

EDIT: Also beware of Sandstorm. The damage reduction is treated as a buff, not a debuff, so the weather nerfs even attacks from an elemental.
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Postby Wootzy » June 12th, 2016, 6:26 am

Paladance wrote:Either I've met a real wall or I was too spontaneous in that battle.

A guy has run Graves, Droplet of Y'shaarj and Scourged Whelpling.



That guy could have been me :mrgreen:
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Postby Biscuit » June 12th, 2016, 3:06 pm

The problem you run into with Blinding Poison and Nether Gate is that it's too easy to get juked. It turns into a guessing game at that point and, if guessed incorrectly, there goes your advantage.
That and the obvious dependency on speed can make blind and gate minimal threats.

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Postby Virgilioar » June 13th, 2016, 5:31 pm

Paladance wrote:Either I've met a real wall or I was too spontaneous in that battle.

A guy has run Graves, Droplet of Y'shaarj and Scourged Whelpling.

That Acid Rain severely weakened the sproutling. :v

As you can figure out, besides the Standard Graves' Bomb all was based on Dreadful Breath.

But indeed, it's an interesting team. I've seen many moments when pets were just supposed to die, but still stood tall with <100 HP. :mrgreen:

EDIT: Also beware of Sandstorm. The damage reduction is treated as a buff, not a debut, so the weather nerfs even attacks from an elemental.


This is difficult because you have to go fully on the offensive while keeping up most CDs. One strategy is to not use Haunt against this composition. Burst his pets down making sure Fiendish Imp has Immolation up 100% of the time and fighting mainly with Nightshade Sproutling unless Graves is out at which point you Hoof away. It is tricky and like Biscuit mentions below, it all comes down to proper juking and bluffing!



Biscuit wrote:The problem you run into with Blinding Poison and Nether Gate is that it's too easy to get juked. It turns into a guessing game at that point and, if guessed incorrectly, there goes your advantage.
That and the obvious dependency on speed can make blind and gate minimal threats.


The idea behind this originally was to create a team that could take ANY team, this is why we rely so much on controlling the fight. Your comment on speed, however made me think: why not push for power and try to end fight quicker? Been field testing a Murkidan variation since then which is tricky but promising (with Eye Beam in case you were wondering). It also gets around the overall weakness to Critter Type due to the Elemental Type offensive abilities of the original version. I am looking forward to fixing these issues!

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Postby Seyrine » June 16th, 2016, 4:46 am

This is a strong team. The only time I have trouble is against Anubisath Idol. I frequently seem to get someone who runs 3x Idols with 3x sandstorm. Sandstorm completely negates Immolation, so the Imp can't heal in the back row. I had to turn to a Graves team to take that team down.

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Postby Biscuit » June 16th, 2016, 10:37 am

I love control teams that focus on out-thinking and/or predicting your opponents moves, but I gotta admit, sometimes I'm just in a lazy mood and want to chalk up some super easy and mindless wins.

That's when I roll out Droplet, Scourge Whelp & Weebomb.
Surprisingly, it can often out-AOE a Graves squad.

Got any "lazy"-esque teams, Virgil?

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Postby Virgilioar » June 16th, 2016, 6:14 pm

Seyrine wrote:This is a strong team. The only time I have trouble is against Anubisath Idol. I frequently seem to get someone who runs 3x Idols with 3x sandstorm. Sandstorm completely negates Immolation, so the Imp can't heal in the back row. I had to turn to a Graves team to take that team down.


If this happens you run Nightshade Sproutling making sure to only swap to the Fiendish Imp in order to push out an Anubisath Idol that has the Haunt applied. This is tricky now, you have to:

1) Make sure you swap to the Ghastly Kid ONLY AFTER HE USES Deflection so you can get a Haunt in.
2) Only use the Fiendish Imp to allow some rounds for the Nightshade Sproutling to heal.
3) If he can't hit you (Nether Gate, Blinding Poison, Ethereal, Haunt) he can't heal. This seems obvious and irrelevant but that leads me too...
4) TIME! This is an easy fight to win because you have more HPS and DPS than he does thanks to your defensive abilities (mentioned above) but it takes a while and you have to allow for the Nightshade Sproutling to heal while the others get in quick damage!

Example:

We start with Nightshade Sproutling and say 3 rounds of Sandstorm left. You use Blinding Poison and he misses.

2 rounds of Sandstorm left, you swap to Ghastly Kid, hopefully he will have used Deflection thinking you will try to hit him and not seeing the swap.

1 round of Sandstorm left you Haunt and enter the Fiendish Imp.

0 rounds of Sandstorm, Nether Gate and in comes another Anubisath Idol

Now, we know this new Anubisath Idol will likely Sandstorm so instead of fighting it we hit him HARD before he does to further reduce damage on the Nightshade Sproutling. Then swap to Nightshade Sproutling, Blinding Poison, heal back up, a couple hits, rinse repeat. It's tricky because Sandstorm seems like a huge deal, but it's also a damage reduction for you so the playing field is level in that sense.


Biscuit wrote:I love control teams that focus on out-thinking and/or predicting your opponents moves, but I gotta admit, sometimes I'm just in a lazy mood and want to chalk up some super easy and mindless wins.

That's when I roll out Droplet, Scourge Whelp & Weebomb.
Surprisingly, it can often out-AOE a Graves squad.

Got any "lazy"-esque teams, Virgil?


Who does not love some mindless keyboard bashing? I have a couple you might like. The thing about these teams is that though they may win a lot, there are certain situations where they simply can't win. Either way, my favourite of these is (my name for it) "Wild" and it has two variations:

Trunks
Nightshade Sproutling OR Murkalot
Graves

The rotation is Grave Destruction, BONESTORM, Avalanche, BONESTORM, Grave Destruction.

The Nightshade Sproutling variation is much more sturdy assuming you don't get juked. You can use Murkalot's Righteous Inspiration for a second Avalanche after that rotation because they never see that coming and usually by then one of their pets is pretty dead. You could use it at the beginning too into a BONESTORM and switch up the rotation throwing in an Ethereal or a Skull Toss as a filler, especially if there is a Graves on the other end. However, if there is a Graves and the other guy knows what he is doing, it's a tough fight because LITERALLY all it takes to beat this team is that enemy Graves out 100% of the time running his full rotation and leaving you pretty hurt. Play it wisely!

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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Seyrine » June 17th, 2016, 2:56 am

It can be a little bit easier, though also a bit more RNG dependent since he used Rupture instead of Deflect.

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Re: Killing Graves - The Redemption Story of a Fiendish Imp

Postby Gráinne » June 17th, 2016, 3:39 am

Biscuit wrote:lazy mood ... Droplet, Scourge Whelp & Weebomb


Off-topic, but speaking of lazy and Dreadful Breath reminded me.

I've levelled a couple of characters recently, and it's often convenient to drop in to some place like Halfhill to grind that next half-level.

A team with Droplet of Y'shaarj and a couple of Dreadful Breath users is extremely low-neuron. :)

Dreadful Breath goes on for over 20 seconds, so just hitting one button every 20-25 seconds gives you lots of leisure to do other things while obliterating the wild pets. You don't have to think at all. Cleansing Rain isn't really required if you don't have a Droplet, and Humanoids like Curious Oracle Hatchling take weak damage from critters in Halfhill. I find I can go through several battles, letting a pet or two die, before needing to heal.

Try it next time you're grinding character XP. Once you get the rhythm, it's very lazy. Dreadful Breath is getting a nerf in Legion, but I'm sure it will still work well enough.


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