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Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Abashera » November 17th, 2013, 12:43 am

I just got the Ruby Droplet. I was thinking that, like a Jade Oozeling, the most powerful breed will heal me the most with "Absorb".

The one I have is H/H. So I was going to try to make a trade on my server, 2000g trade for the H/P on the AH, and the seller makes a 2k profit on top of his regular sale.

So what do you think, before I make the trade, is the H/P the better breed?

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Haevlyn » November 17th, 2013, 2:23 pm

From what i've heard, everyone is after H/H as a breed.

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Abashera » November 17th, 2013, 4:19 pm

I don't know why. A Jade Oozeling has the same ability "Absorb", and people prefer the P/P Jade for that reason. Seems to me that the stronger I hit, the more health I get back from absorb. Because I'm only going to hit with Plagued Blood once every five rounds, my main hit is still Absorb, which needs to be powerful to get back max health per hit. Sounds more logical every time I say it. :P

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Luciandk » November 17th, 2013, 5:04 pm

Take a second look at its unique ability Drain Blood, its wastly superior to Plagued Blood for raw healing output. And it have nothing that scales with power. Neither does its second most popular ability Bubble. Only Absorb scales with power, and even that is only a miniscule gain. Hence why people tend to go for H/H to become a tank to suck up the juice.
Drain Blood pairs extremely well with Sunlight due to it buffing healing. Together with bubble and absorb, the pet becomes extremely resilient and able to whittle down far harder hitting creatures.


And in the case of the Jade Oozeling, Absorb is not the reason for why they want it to be Power/Power. Its to buff its dots through the roof, while it spams absorb to keep alive.


Keep your H/H Ruby Droplet, its a really good breed for the abilities. You would sacrifice nearly 200 life for a mere 14p increase to Absorb if you took H/P!

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Abashera » November 17th, 2013, 6:50 pm

Thank you Luciandk, I will keep the H/H.

Though I would like to fight against someone with an H/P to and see which comes out on top. :)

…AND as I was typing that I missed my chance to drop back in the Ruby Lake. lol

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Kpb321 » November 18th, 2013, 2:41 pm

The other factor for the Jade ooze is the racial. A H/H Jade ooze would increase the max size of hit you could take from your opponent while lowering the amount you heal from the ooze touch slightly which would make it easier to kill you with hard hitting abilities. That isn't a factor for the ruby droplet as it is an elemental not magic. I agree that H/H is the best breed for the droplet for the obvious usage as a tank pet.

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 18th, 2013, 3:21 pm

I like your scentific analysis why h/h is a better tank nreed for ruby
I have a h/s because I ise dive and I want my 289 speed to be a factor to over 85 % of pets have less or equal speed to dodge and hit hard

I wish doc our beed id office could speak up.

Also coild uou I nput on same dicussion a sporeling sproute is siperior in p/p or s/s breed since stone is not a constraimt now?

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 18th, 2013, 3:21 pm

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Kpb321 » November 18th, 2013, 9:43 pm

Looking at it I'm not sure I'd ever use a s/s sprout for anything serious. It would get you up to 325 speed which would be faster than most non-flying pets. That would effectively give crouch another round for the 50% dmg reduction for a tank type setup but you are giving up 325 hps for the s/s breed vs the h/h. It seems unlikely that one more round of crouch would save to more than 325 dmg. You'd also get more healing on the H/H breed from the racial because of the higher hps. Ultimately, makes H/H the best tank choice and I don't really see any other role that this pet would be good at as he really has no other synergy in his abilities.

I'd also say that I still think that H/H droplet using bubble is probably better in most cases than a H/S one using Dive. Looking at the CD's of both you most likely only going to get a single use of either ability in most PVP fights. Even if you do get two dives off it's still only 2 rounds of avoiding dmg for 4 rounds of doing something vs 2 hits blocked and 3 rounds of absorb to gain health. I"d say in most cases the 2 block hits will be as good as two rounds of avoided dmg. The only time two blocked hits wouldn't be as good would be against something that has multiple strikes and a lot of those abilities get additional hits from going first so are likely to be used on fast pets that will still be faster than your 289 speed on a H/S droplet. Sure there may be some tamer fights where 289 is just enough to be faster than them and dive under some attack but I could just as easily bubble the attack the turn before as tamers are pretty predictable.
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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 18th, 2013, 9:48 pm

Pbs
So the racial heslz is based on heslth and not power?
Wow if tjis were true there were wrong discussions in 5.1 sprouting thread tbe p/p breed heals more cuz of the power? Csn you confirm it?
Also the fungas can heal as you rotate sproute to the back line and is his botj ability in slot 2 and 3 racisl based in healing or power based
This could decide sproutes dominate role in pvp realm

Sorry about the trouble if doc was on

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Kpb321 » November 18th, 2013, 9:53 pm

yes, the human racial heal is a % of their total health so only scales based on the pets hps not on their power. Leaching seed does scale with Power but pretty poorly imo. The P/P sprout would heal for 64hps more each leaching seed than the H/H would. The H/H still seems clearly better
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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 18th, 2013, 9:56 pm

Nice
What anout its 2nd and 3rd slot healkng ability is it power based or heslth based
It makes a difference I use those and I know the hesl in backline

Csn you clarify

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 18th, 2013, 10:00 pm

Kbp?

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Abashera » November 23rd, 2013, 5:00 am

I don't know. I get good heals from Absorb. A stronger absorb would still result in bigger heals. And to add, you are taking down the enemy's health more with each hit as well as getting bigger heals.

And saying that the reason most collectors/battlers prefer a P/P Jade Oozeling is not because Absorb scales better with power...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6943&p=53367#p53367

"Personally, I prefer my P/P oozeling. More power means bigger Absorbs, which means more regeneration and overall damage."—Quintessence

"P/P no contest. The other breeds distribute at least some into Health which is pretty blah on Magic pets."—Aeolyn

Just saying, a few people voiced their thoughts, and no one who read contested them. More powerful hits yield larger heals, and do more damage at the same time.

I've taken my Droplet out for a few good runs since posting this. The amount of healing you get back from Absorb is not insignificant. But what I've found is that the damage output is too low on my H/H. The extra health I have on the H/H is burned through quickly; it doesn't do enough damage to take down another pet's health significantly; and the healing from Drained Blood itself isn't enough to make back enough health before the 3 round cool down is up. And yes I am running with "Bubble" (Absorb, Bubble, Drain Blood).

I remember reading a post here about someone who was in the middle of a PVP fight with their Ruby Droplet against a Blossoming Ancient that was going on for close to an hour. Both pets were in a stale-mate with healing. But this kind of situation is not a good basis for what breed is best. For one, you are fighting against another elemental that is a strong healer, and has overall low hit. But against a non-elemental that is a power hitter, you need more power to do significant damage, and stronger healing.

Based on my use of the pet, where Absorb is giving me back decent healing, but taking on more damage than I can heal through, I'm leaning toward getting stronger Absorbs to offset the difference. Again, if you aren't hitting hard, that extra 179 health goes pretty fast, and can be easily taken away on one single hit.

I'm going to keep my H/H. But I'll be buying a H/P as soon as I see a deal on the AH I've seen them for 4k, but right now the two H/Ps on there are close to 10k). When I get it, I plan on duking it out against a friend with an H/H for some real field-testing (not just theory-crafting). We'll make sure to go through enough rounds to bring back some reliable data as to who comes out on top in most fights.

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Eekabu » November 24th, 2013, 1:20 pm

Jamesdevlin wrote:I remember reading a post here about someone who was in the middle of a PVP fight with their Ruby Droplet against a Blossoming Ancient that was going on for close to an hour. Both pets were in a stale-mate with healing. But this kind of situation is not a good basis for what breed is best. For one, you are fighting against another elemental that is a strong healer, and has overall low hit. But against a non-elemental that is a power hitter, you need more power to do significant damage, and stronger healing.


That was probably me. Here.

I've never had the feeling that the breed of the Ruby Droplet is really significant. To me, it's more a stalling pet, making sure that the opponent's abilities are wasted.

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 24th, 2013, 2:46 pm

Brisela

Based on my experience with successful ruby droplet battle i have seen and battled. ruby is a pet only successfuly paired up with sunflower with sun light and the blossom acient(and or magical crawdad) in that case the breed is really insignificant. so the h/s breed stand out when you pull ruby out from the above lineup into any lineup with any pet. H/S with the 289 speed is still faster than most pet and give you a higher chance in a win if ruby is to be used with pets other than sunflower, crawdad and ancient.

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 24th, 2013, 2:52 pm

kbp
you didn't address the slot 3 ability of the sporeling sproute. i finally got a chance to speak to our breed id officer doc and he favors p/p breed tho he indicates he does not like to use that pet in pvp. the reason p/p is favored is because sporeling always goes first and there for the power is preferred. the 3rd ability question is from me to you as far as when the static trap after 3 rounds is triggered it is both damage and healing the sproute(same concept the core fire imp shield does in backline) does the trap scale with power or health? can you clarify it. I personally have a p/p breed and h/h breed :D and i am keeping both. my 3rd is a p/s breed which i am looking to replace. Normally I don't like to keep 2 superior breed in pet pvp. one exception is my 2 s/s guardling and my h/h guardling since it resembles an idol which is a h/h breed.(crush, sandstorm) other than that it would have to be 3 pvp breeds for me. :D


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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Brisela » November 24th, 2013, 2:53 pm

kbp
you didn't address the slot 3 ability of the sporeling sproute. i finally got a chance to speak to our breed id officer doc and he favors p/p breed tho he indicates he does not like to use that pet in pvp. the reason p/p is favored is because sporeling always goes first and there for the power is preferred. the 3rd ability question is from me to you as far as when the static trap after 3 rounds is triggered it is both damage and healing the sproute(same concept the core fire imp shield does in backline) does the trap scale with power or health? can you clarify it. I personally have a p/p breed and h/h breed and i am keeping both. my 3rd is a p/s breed which i am looking to replace. Normally I don't like to keep 2 superior breed in pet pvp. one exception is my 2 s/s guardling and my h/h guardling since it resembles an idol which is a h/h breed.(crush, sandstorm) other than that it would have to be 3 pvp breeds for me.





Looking at it I'm not sure I'd ever use a s/s sprout for anything serious. It would get you up to 325 speed which would be faster than most non-flying pets. That would effectively give crouch another round for the 50% dmg reduction for a tank type setup but you are giving up 325 hps for the s/s breed vs the h/h. It seems unlikely that one more round of crouch would save to more than 325 dmg. You'd also get more healing on the H/H breed from the racial because of the higher hps. Ultimately, makes H/H the best tank choice and I don't really see any other role that this pet would be good at as he really has no other synergy in his abilities.

I'd also say that I still think that H/H droplet using bubble is probably better in most cases than a H/S one using Dive. Looking at the CD's of both you most likely only going to get a single use of either ability in most PVP fights. Even if you do get two dives off it's still only 2 rounds of avoiding dmg for 4 rounds of doing something vs 2 hits blocked and 3 rounds of absorb to gain health. I"d say in most cases the 2 block hits will be as good as two rounds of avoided dmg. The only time two blocked hits wouldn't be as good would be against something that has multiple strikes and a lot of those abilities get additional hits from going first so are likely to be used on fast pets that will still be faster than your 289 speed on a H/S droplet. Sure there may be some tamer fights where 289 is just enough to be faster than them and dive under some attack but I could just as easily bubble the attack the turn before as tamers are pretty predictable.

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Re: Looking for Ruby Droplet Breed Recommendation

Postby Kpb321 » November 26th, 2013, 3:18 pm

Brisele,

Based on what you've said you are looking to run 2/2/1 and try to back row heal with the pet. The third abilities damage will scale with power but the healing is from the human racial which is 4% of your health so the healing will scale with hps.

You can answer most of these questions yourself by just going to the pet page on the site Sporeling Sprout.

A P/P charge deals 258 dmg. A H/H Charge deals 210 dmg. Either way it is still pretty poor dmg as the always goes first costs you on the dmg side.

For back row healing your move sequence would be Charge, Spore Shrooms, Leech Seed, Swap to back row but you could skip the charge if you are facing a strong opponent you know will go first.

for a P/P you'd deal
258 + 172 + 86 x 2 + 172 x 3 a total of 1118 dmg by the time the Spore Shroom dot ends. You'd end up healing 56 * 6 for 336 health from racial + 344 from leach seed = 680.

You'd have taken, assuming 300-400 dmg an attack, 900-1200 dmg leaving you at 800-1000 health. Since you'd need two round to back row yourself again it could be pretty touchy to pull that off. At 800 health you'd probably need to swap in after your second pet died so they don't get 3 rounds in before you swap back out to get out successfully. At 1000 health you might get away with a hard swap.

For a H/H you'd deal
210 + 140 + 70 x 2 + 140 x 3 = 910 dmg by the time the Spore Shroom dot ends. You'd end up healing 69 * 6 for 414 health from racial + 280 from leach seed = 694. So the H/H doe provide more healing than the power does.

The H/H provides an extra 325 health meaning you have 1100-1400 health which should have no problems back rowing him a second time. You give up roughly 200 dmg on the first cycle and 150 on the second (assuming you aren't using charge) but I'd think making sure to get off that second cycle and get back rowed again is more important than the additional dmg. Getting back rowed so you get those 4 rounds of healing should by you another turn of attacking which is another 210 dmg minimum.


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