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Dupes

Postby Trece » November 2nd, 2014, 7:54 pm

Just saw Viscious Horror and Dragon Kite on my realm (Khadgar) for 15K. Although I was very tempted the same guy was selling 3 of each on the AH and I still wouldn't bite because I have an uneasy feeling about it.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Wakamaru » November 2nd, 2014, 8:15 pm

I can understand how you feel! The sad part about this whole duping business is that the pet pool is so diluted now that there is no way of telling the legit pets from the duped pets IN GAME. Only way to be sure now-a-days is to scratch the card yourself or to get the drop yourself.

I don't expect this 'leak' to be plugged any time soon. If anything, I'm expecting it to get worse!
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Re: Dupes

Postby Trece » November 3rd, 2014, 9:38 am

I know :( I buy all my TCG pets from the TCG site because I want to know they are legit.

Well the temptation was too much. I remember someone saying that if you buy them off the AH it is better because you have record of it. Besides I am fairly sure the Viscious Horror will be required for "Raiding with Leashes 3" and I don't know when I will see a better price for it.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Kpb321 » November 3rd, 2014, 12:01 pm

At this point I'd say that it is about 100% chance that those are from duping but I don't think that means that the duper was the one selling them. I was unwilling to spend the RL cash on these things so I accepted the fact that they've been duped and that I can't avoid that if I want to get the pets in game. I did get them all before the most recent duping wave pushed them down to where they are today so I paid 100k for VH etc.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Poofah » November 3rd, 2014, 2:52 pm

Trece wrote:I buy all my TCG pets from the TCG site because I want to know they are legit.


http://www.wowtcgloot.com/faq.htm wrote:By adding our purple colored "Instant Buy" loot codes to your cart you can purchase loot codes directly from us saving valuable time, stress, and postage money. Adding loot codes to your cart reserves them exclusively and upon successful payment your full loot codes are viewable immediently in your Invoice History. You will receive the full 25 digit promotion code only as we do not mail the physical cards.


They won't mail you the actual card. So I don't see how wowtcgloot is any more 'legit' than the pets on AH.

Anyway don't feel bad about buying a VH: it's literally impossible to verify that any particular one is 'legit'. If you buy one, it's probably duped, but that's the situation we're all in.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Jadax » November 3rd, 2014, 10:13 pm

Poofah wrote:They won't mail you the actual card. So I don't see how wowtcgloot is any more 'legit' than the pets on AH.


The code came from a card... So, the pets from those codes are 100% "legit". There's no doubt about their provenance at all.

Literally the exact opposite of a duplicated pet.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Gwenolyn » November 3rd, 2014, 11:02 pm

Poofah wrote:They won't mail you the actual card.


I always get the card.

But for in game pets like VH... I give up...

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Re: Dupes

Postby Poofah » November 3rd, 2014, 11:39 pm

Jadax wrote:The code came from a card... So, the pets from those codes are 100% "legit". There's no doubt about their provenance at all.

Literally the exact opposite of a duplicated pet.


You are assuming that there was ever an actual card. They won't provide the card, so there's no proof.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Dakaf » November 4th, 2014, 9:33 am

Duping or not, I have yet to hear of someone losing something purchased from the AH. Protect yourself and buy from there, not trade chat (unless you know or trust the person).
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Re: Dupes

Postby Zinthamiss » November 4th, 2014, 7:43 pm

I don't believe there is any chance that blizzard will remove pets bought from AH. They tell people to buy from AH to protect themselves from being from being scammed and so on. The issue is blizzard not being able to put a stop to the problem.

About pets being sold, lets say 3x from the same person. He/she might just be moving to an new server and need some start up cash. I believe pets are being resold alot, both from normal people and gold sellers.

Anyway, my point is... that there is no way to tell if the item is duped and there should be no "bad feelings" for buying TCG pets on AH.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Sul0kana » November 6th, 2014, 7:05 am

Hello everyone


Hm. I have some thoughts about that too. But first...

From what I know from the german Customer Support Forums,
- duped pets, bought from the AH, won't be removed by blizzard.
Never buy anything with the trade window, though.


Zinthamiss wrote:I don't believe there is any chance that blizzard will remove pets bought from AH. They tell people to buy from AH to protect themselves from being from being scammed and so on. The issue is blizzard not being able to put a stop to the problem.

(...)
Anyway, my point is... that there is no way to tell if the item is duped and there should be no "bad feelings" for buying TCG pets on AH.

Well, I don't think you should be ashamed or afraid of buying those items, TO. I fully agree with the quoted text.
Of course it's unfortunate that there are bugs, glitches and exploits in the game allowing such things.
However, there is no game out there that isn't without bugs and the like (however, never heard of glitches in pacman, so ... maybe there's still hope!).

In every game, be it MMO or single player, there are people (ab)using those things in games.
Thing is, you are probably not doing anything bad yourself if you buy those items- and especially: you don't know why someone puts a 100K worth item into the AH for like 20K! There are really people out there selling their stuff for sometimes 90% below the latest AH prices for whatever reason- I am one of them, I always sell the stuff I find for less gold than the others. Just to get rid of the items without destroying or selling them to a vendor. Making a bit gold from the things you don't want anymore, even when selling super cheap, is nothing bad.
And you still can't prove they're dupers (if they really are).
You can't prove the authenticy of those items yourself.

(Well, on a little side note...
Some days ago I clicked a pet someone tried to sell super cheap over the /tradechan- [clearly not a native german speaker, clearly not responding in any way to the the conversation about him/his items after he started using the "opportunity" to spam every 30 seconds his offer...].Well, back to my attempt to clicking that item! Instead of a tooltip, I got a red error message in the middle of the upper screen. It said something about it "couldn't verify the item" or "couldn't authenticate it". I can't remember what it said exactly but it made me feel like... whoah, there's something wrong with the item. I never had that error message before, never heard of it before and I actually doubt an addon of mine could cause such an error message... it would have appeared before or after it and the recent patches didn't cause any unusual bugs with addons.
I am usually not paranoid about error messages ingame- god knows where some of them come from, most of them mean just nothing else like "get closer, try again or just relogg, or you don't fulfill the requirements to do that"...)

But back to the "it's definitely duped"-topic, where I will just asume for a second it's true that those are duped items.
Well, as I said, I don't believe you're doing bad things with that. You don't buy gold with that, you're not scamming someone, you're not cheating, not abusing any bugs. You're not stealing nor hacking a 12 years old boy his beloved WOW account.
You are not responsible what someone else did and you simple can't 100% check where those people get the items from. Also, for the competitive pet batteling/collecting aspect: c'mon, your competitors on your realm board or in PVP battles probably won't think of that topic the same way like you do. They'd just buy it. Just to get things they couldn't get otherwise or aren't willing to pay the actual prices for them. (Personal side note again: some weeks ago I tried to sell a haunted memento for 30K. People typed me 'why do I need that' 'I don't buy that item, I have like 400k but this is way too much for that item!!!!!!!!' and so on. Like... completely imbeciles typing me, flaming and harassing me for not selling those items for like 5K, although they always insisted to be SUPA RRRICH. Well, yeah... nice. Couldn't sell the item, not even for 15K, nor 12K, no nothing, so I kept it till today...)


However, I think I understand what duped items and gold selling/buying means to a servers economy and the game in general, so I thik I can fully understand why someone may be afraid of buying those items .
I really believe it's not blizzards gold rewarding system for quests and dungeons/it wasn't the root of the problem: I believe it was once the gold buyers that ruined it all, starting late vanilla, and spreading their wealth-disease all over in BC. They just had sooo much more gold than everyone else and they just bought everything they wanted without even having to worry to get out of gold anymore. So everyone who sold those goods could just set any price they wanted... you know? I believe it was like a circle: P1 offers things-> P2 buys gold, has enough money to buy anything from P1-> P1 thinks "hey, let's just sell those items for 200g instead for 20!"-> P2 still can buy it!->P1 sets higher prices... ->P2 buys probably more gold, spends more gold->P1 wants higher prices...
You know. Changing the gold rewards on quests was probably a way to prevent this circle from going on and on but it was probably already too late to save the server economies to break.
But then, as everyone who didn't buy gold where able to get more stuff too after they got more gold from questing, leveling, raids... the prices remained the same. Since people where still willing to pay that much for certain items...


In the end:
well, I have like 3~5K one my entire account, scattered across 3 realms, which comes in useful sometimes: This means I won't ever face any problems with morality and questioning myself regarding buying duped items. I simply still can't effort anything the dupers sell. So... yeah.
It's kind of a first world problem to have to think twice before buying stuff: if you wouldn't have that much gold, you wouldn't even think about for a single second about buying this stuff or not. You'll just have to get used to to not even bother with buying pets above 2k. It's not that bad actually, but you won't ever get those pets you can't farm yourself...


So, goddammit dear, do me a favor. Enjoy your virtual money and your virtual goods and go get them pets if you really want 'em. It won't make the world a better place if you refuse your wishes to buy a pet you really want... that maybe was duped. Or maybe it wasn't. It's technically not in your capabilities to check that. And it's not your responsibility to do so. (Well, you could report those people, though!).
Well, as I said, it won't change anything to the better. But it may make you bit sadder while playing the game. I wish I could effort that little spectral cub or something like that. It kind of makes me sad seeing all those people now running around with (as I asume, duped) spectral cubs. I mean, I got other special pets. Pets with real stories how I was getting them: Gifts from friends, gifts from my exBF, pets I really farmed many hours for, pets I just found by accident, pets from CEs that traveled faaaaaaar from home with me...
I won't forget about all that. So many nice memories I really cherish.
But... HNNNGGG, that spectral cub. Those vanilla CE pets. REALLY love ze zergling. And the the spectral cub... Well. Whatever.

So please, if it will make you a bit more happier while playing having that specific pet... go get it. And make yourself happy with it. If you regret it: well, if you still do after like 2-3 months, you can still delete the item.

Cheers.

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Re: Dupes

Postby Druzy » November 6th, 2014, 7:35 am

At this point it's like dye in the wool. You can't tell the original from the fake and the damage is done. Once the price gets to a point where it's not worth it anymore then they'll stop. I imagine that if this were a priority that the coding would be altered, the gate closed, or the pet changed in some way.


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