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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Stencil » June 6th, 2013, 3:06 pm

Kring wrote:I don't really like this as it fails about once out of three times for me. Is there a way to see the history of this guide? I'd like to know what the strategie before this one was. Or was it Idol and Proto-Whelp?

The problem is that the Idol takes to much damage from the first pet and snarly is down to about 500 hp from cyclone.

Idol and Proto-Whelp was Cab's strat. One tweak might be to replace Snarly with Electrified Razortooth (Rip, Blood in the Water, Devour) which will take less damage from cyclone because its an elemental, not an aquatic.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 6th, 2013, 3:34 pm

Stencil wrote:
Kring wrote:I don't really like this as it fails about once out of three times for me. Is there a way to see the history of this guide? I'd like to know what the strategie before this one was. Or was it Idol and Proto-Whelp?

The problem is that the Idol takes to much damage from the first pet and snarly is down to about 500 hp from cyclone.

Idol and Proto-Whelp was Cab's strat. One tweak might be to replace Snarly with Electrified Razortooth (Rip, Blood in the Water, Devour) which will take less damage from cyclone because its an elemental, not an aquatic.


Since my snarly not level up all the way I been using Electrified Razortooth for now, he is a good choice, but he is weaker then snarly, so it doesn't hit as hard as snarly can, which means you most likely have to do extra rounds. From my gather teams he picks are based on doing the most damage in the quickest time to end the match the fastest, unless there be lot of RNG then it about team that can survive

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Stencil » June 6th, 2013, 4:51 pm

Nytemarerulez wrote:Wouldn't the Scourged Whelping {8} be better? its the P/S one, sure you lose health, but with it having a stronger power then other breed, it would kill his pets faster. I have not tested it, as I only have a P/S one that is rare, and was wondering

Nope, I only had a P/S as well and when I tried it I realized why you want the H/H. The P/S has a speed of 257 which is faster than Jadefire who has a speed of 250; that means you don't get the second hit from Tail Sweep.

I ended up stoning an H/H and I'm really liking this strat by the way. Really opened my eyes on what the Scourged Whelpling can do.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Tahsfenz » June 6th, 2013, 5:43 pm

If you use stoneskin On the fire spirit, you'll do more damage, hit more often and the wasted round with liftoff will be used to refresh the shield. On the fire spirit, you shield on the heal round. Should make it through fine. Kill off the idol and double swap to a emerald proto whelp.
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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 6th, 2013, 5:49 pm

Stencil wrote:
Nytemarerulez wrote:Wouldn't the Scourged Whelping {8} be better? its the P/S one, sure you lose health, but with it having a stronger power then other breed, it would kill his pets faster. I have not tested it, as I only have a P/S one that is rare, and was wondering

Nope, I only had a P/S as well and when I tried it I realized why you want the H/H. The P/S has a speed of 257 which is faster than Jadefire who has a speed of 250; that means you don't get the second hit from Tail Sweep.

I ended up stoning an H/H and I'm really liking this strat by the way. Really opened my eyes on what the Scourged Whelpling can do.


Well in that case yeah the HH would be better, but I forgot to mention that if you do the P/S one then you can replace a 369 Tail Sweep (H/H) with a 405 Tail Sweep (P/S), now of course like you said you be faster then second pet, so you would instead take Shadowflame which does 422 (P/S) and beats out a 369 Tail Sweep(H/H). Both attacks don't have a 100% hit so am I missing something here?

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3)

Postby Stencil » June 6th, 2013, 9:27 pm

Phraide wrote:Against a Critter, Snap will do 625 dmg ... against Ashtail, you are not guaranted to attack first with the Crane, because Ashtail has the Quick-Attack ability

That was base? Heh, that thing is a beast. I really, really need to go farm one up. One negative I noticed today was that Kali's Arcane Explosion does extra damage versus the Crane Chick. They aren't huge hits, but I had some missed Breaths versus Kali and so the Crane Chick was coming in with less health than I would have liked. Ashtail, of course, did use Quick Attack and that dropped me below half health :( So, yeah, here's a vote for the Emperor Crap.

Phraide wrote:Do you prefer a faster kill (the Sentry is 1-round faster), or a more reliable one (the Anodized Robo Cub can't miss)? The difference is pretty small here.

I tend to err too far on the safe side; too many dodged Ion Cannons in my past or something ;) My Robo Cub was an H/H breed and between having a bigger health pool and the option of working in a Repair if the supercharged Bite missed, I remember it as handling everything Sludgy ever threw at it. I will be switching to the Sentry, though. You're right that the miss chance isn't big enough to inflate real average rounds to kill very much.

Phraide wrote:But the Sentry is easier to get than the Robo Cub imho. Thus I replaced the Robo Cub with the Sentry in the guide.
That's a very good point.

Phraide wrote:The sentry will die to Burrow (forcing a swap and a Stone Rush on the Rabbit) if it eats a crit against one of Sludgy abilities. But the previous team with Anodized Robo Cub was in the same boat: a crit on one of Sludgy's abilities and your Rabbit was doomed. The death swap on Darnak is a problem, indeed. I think I will begin the fight with the Carry pet.

Actually, the most recent time I tried this strat Sludgy's Expunge crit and so mechanical was triggered as I got to Darnak. But since I was aware of it, I just switched from the planned death swap to hard swapping through the carry to the rabbit.

The slowest part of this fight has always been grinding down Darnak when Burrows would miss so getting in a Supercharged Laser as part of a death swap is very appealing. I wouldn't start with the Carry pet, though, since wouldn't that force the bunny to eat a Rupture?

I'd just amend the Darnak section so that it forks based on the Sentry's health and whether the passive has already triggered. If the passive has triggered or if the health is low enough that Creeping Ooze will trigger it then on round one you do a hard swap to carry pet and then to rabbit. Otherwise, its Lasers and the death swap.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3)

Postby Kring » June 7th, 2013, 3:40 am

Phraide wrote:There is a little bit of RNG involved in this fight because of the Anubisath Idol (80% accuracy on his filler), and it can be annoying, I agree. But you only need 3 Crush to kill Crimson. If your Anubisath Idol has at least 350HP left when engaging Glowy, then you will defeat this tamer.


That's assuming that snarly takes both DoTs? I think my problem was that snarly died to fast, the DoTs went to anubis and he died while being switched for the carry pet. Maybe I messed up with stoneskin, I have to pay more attention next time it fails.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 7th, 2013, 7:32 am

Beasts of Fable
6 rounds
1: Unborn Val'kyr [?] (1,2,2)
2: Pandaren Water Spirit [-] (1,2,2)
3: Chrominius [-] (1,1,2)

This is my generic team, which should work well against the majority of the BoF. The goal of this team is to set up a mix of bombs which will detonate on the same turn, under a Howl (+100% damage). You will deliver 100% of your damage at the same time: this way, the enemies won't be able to react and mitigate the damage with their powerful heals.

This strategy should grant you a kill on turn 6 or 7.

Round 1: Unholy Ascension
Your Unborn Val'kyr resurrects
Round 2: Curse of Doom
Your Unborn Val'kyr dies
Switch to Pandaren water spirit
Round 3: Geyser
Round 4: Whirlpool
Round 5: Switch to Chrominius
Round 6: Howl
At the end of this turn, Curse of Doom, Geyser and Whirlpool detonate at the same time with a +125% boost (25% from Unholy Ascension and 100% from Howl). The enemy takes a truckload of damage and is stunned.
Round 7: Surge of Power if the enemy is still alive

- Notes: For Dos-Ryga, cast some Shadow Slashes, then proceed as explained above (Unholy ascension > Curse of doom > etc...). The goal is to stall for a bit with the Shadow Slashes to have the enemy's Whirlpool detonate on your Val'kyr's last turn instead of your Pandaren water spirit. This team doesn't work against No-No. I advise you to use Yellow Moth [4] (2,1,2) and Bat [4] (1,2,1) instead of Unborn Val'kyr and Pandaren Water Spirit against him.


What breed should the Unborn Val'kyr be? I thinking B/B as it make the Doom stronger, right now despite waiting in 3 spawn points in the same zone Crystal forest,and just watching the screen on all 3, I have not seen on spawn - so I think they are bugged right now, but anyways what breed should it be?

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Anasa » June 7th, 2013, 12:16 pm

I have not seen on spawn - so I think they are bugged right now


They're not bugged, they're just very rare and can spawn literally anywhere in Northrend.

I had a lot of trouble with Zusshi and Shu both last night, eventually abandoning both quests as it was just getting too frustrating. I've got to find a new strat for Shu, but maybe Zusshi was just being an RNG jerk.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 7th, 2013, 3:06 pm

Anasa wrote:
They're not bugged, they're just very rare and can spawn literally anywhere in Northrend.


Yes but doesn't one of them spawn in each zone at a spawn point? I sitting in crystal song forest, with 3 accounts up and looking at the screen, been doing that for hours, and have yet to see one spawn in any of its 3 points in the forest. So something got to be wrong.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Quintessence » June 7th, 2013, 4:13 pm

Nytemarerulez wrote:
Anasa wrote:
They're not bugged, they're just very rare and can spawn literally anywhere in Northrend.


Yes but doesn't one of them spawn in each zone at a spawn point? I sitting in crystal song forest, with 3 accounts up and looking at the screen, been doing that for hours, and have yet to see one spawn in any of its 3 points in the forest. So something got to be wrong.


The spawning doesn't work like that exactly. It doesn't appear to spawn in multiple zones at the same time.

Instead, it can spawn in any zone and at any of the spawn locations. Once it's been captured or killed, it picks another spawn point (in any zone) to respawn in. It's possible that it continues like that until a certain number of spawns has been reached, or it meets some other spawning criteria, and then it stops for a while before starting the process again.

You're better off parking an alt at different spawn locations in 3 different zones instead of having them all in one zone.
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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 7th, 2013, 4:22 pm

The spawning doesn't work like that exactly. It doesn't appear to spawn in multiple zones at the same time.

Instead, it can spawn in any zone and at any of the spawn locations. Once it's been captured or killed, it picks another spawn point (in any zone) to respawn in. It's possible that it continues like that until a certain number of spawns has been reached, or it meets some other spawning criteria, and then it stops for a while before starting the process again.

You're better off parking an alt at different spawn locations in 3 different zones instead of having them all in one zone.


Ok which zones have people have the most success with? if it works the way you say, like to know the spots it seems to be hitting, as I need a B/B one

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Anasa » June 7th, 2013, 7:00 pm

I've found two: One at the bottom of the stairs to zul'drak in Grizzly Hills, and one in Zul'drak itself (North central, not sure exact coords)

Wowhead has a pretty good list of known spawning points. Honestly the way I caught my two was to just patrol *all* of Northrend, checking those spawn points.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 7th, 2013, 9:00 pm

Anasa wrote:I've found two: One at the bottom of the stairs to zul'drak in Grizzly Hills, and one in Zul'drak itself (North central, not sure exact coords)

Wowhead has a pretty good list of known spawning points. Honestly the way I caught my two was to just patrol *all* of Northrend, checking those spawn points.


Been doing that and nothing, read all the comments on pet page and nothing has worked, to be honest it cuz of this CRZ crap I bet, why I one is never up. Even with to a low pop just to be crz with high pop server I have toons are, so that defeated the whole purpose.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Tahsfenz » June 7th, 2013, 9:05 pm

Just a thought to split the unborn val'kyr talk to another thread as to not detract from the purpose of this sticky. Was just a thought.
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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Nytemarerulez » June 7th, 2013, 11:21 pm

Tahsfenz wrote:Just a thought to split the unborn val'kyr talk to another thread as to not detract from the purpose of this sticky. Was just a thought.


Yeah kinda got off subject - Still like to know which breed I need to seek for BOF team

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Phraide » June 8th, 2013, 7:36 am

Nytemarerulez wrote:Yeah kinda got off subject - Still like to know which breed I need to seek for BOF team


Both breeds are ok 8-) .

Anasa wrote:I had a lot of trouble with Zusshi and Shu both last night, eventually abandoning both quests as it was just getting too frustrating. I've got to find a new strat for Shu, but maybe Zusshi was just being an RNG jerk.


I can understand the frustration with the Shu team (though it should still work most of the time, with a 65.61% win ratio). I'm trying to assemble a more reliable setup atm (hopefully faster than the previous one with Red Cricket).

But the Zusshi strat is very reliable. I never losed with it. At which point of the fight are you having trouble?

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Rellyne » June 8th, 2013, 12:24 pm

Can't get this Whispering team to work.

Anubisath Idol just can't hold agains Dusty, Deflecting all the Dust attacks + Dusty's cocoons, leaves with only a few chances to attack. On top of that, Anub's crush misses way too much. Changing to Stonekin improved the chances of hitting with Crush, but you also take more damage. Still can't get Anub alive to fight Whispertail.

Changed back to my Emerald(2,2,2)/Carry/Onyxian(2,1,1). Worst case cenario (when you eat some sleeps or just miss the attacks), 27 rounds average, and you have to watch out to not let Emerald just solo it lol. You just can't loose since the team always have a way to recover from bad luck.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Chimonks » June 8th, 2013, 7:00 pm

I'm consistently doing all the pandaria tamers + cataclysm trainers in almost exactly an hour with two level 25 pets (one pet-treat buff) with, what i feel, is kind of the perfect setups and mostly easily obtainable pets. So if anyone is curious about my setup because they might struggle with certain ones you can PM me. I've put a lot of time into refining it. :lol:

To Rellyne's post above, the easy winner for that tamer is simply adding an infinite whelpling (something with tail sweep and healing flame essentially) in place of the Idol.
Have your carry pet soak the first moth dust, tail sweep with spawn of onyxia until cocoon strike. Use the turn they're protected to heal with healing flame and once again if you get the dragonkin passive before dusty dies. This way you should at the very least get whispertail to half HP. The infinite whelpling should finish it off and hopefully have the dragonkin passive up for the spirit last, where you can open with darkflame and nerf its soothing mists a bit while hitting for over 600. Then tail sweep away.

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Re: Guide to tamer daily pet battles (5.3) - For veterans

Postby Quintessence » June 8th, 2013, 7:10 pm

Just a small heads up: We're going to be moving this thread (as well as the beginner's version) to the Community Guide section soon. It's not disappearing, just being relocated.

There's loads of helpful information in this thread; keep it coming everyone! And again, many thanks to Phraide for keeping these guides up-to-date. :)
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